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| Quote ="ccs".... or in the "sack", perhaps?'"
Seriously you can't say they both wouldn't be an improvement on Radford?
As for you previous point. They wouldn't have to come right this moment. If it means getting the right man I'd be happy to wait until the end of the season with Horne taking the reigns until the end of the year. At least the fans would have something to look forward to and know that something is being done. The Agar days were bad, but I can't remember the general mood among fans ever being this bad.
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| Quote ="ccs"Who's this new coach everyone wants? I don't see one available and willing to come. You're kidding yourself if you think it's that easy.'"
1) Who said it was easy?
2) How many connections do you have in world rugby league?
3) Why are fans expected to know who is or isn't available?
4) Is it unreasonable to think that people involved in the game and at our club will have a bit more knowledge than us fans about who is available?
5) Do you think that Radford is the best coach we can possibly hope for? That we couldn't find anyone (not one person) better?
6) Almost everything worth doing is not easy if done right.
Things are not working. They aren't even getting better. It's not even as if we are doing ok, safe and sound but not great, we are in a relegation battle. The sensible thing to do in such circumstances (at least if you want things to improve) is to try something different. Sticking with things as they are is either defeatist or madness.
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| Quote ="ccs"And what are they doing at the moment?'"
You previously stated "Who would come mid-season?"
This is an option I have stated,they would come mid-season, as they are unemployed,
Or.. Shall we employ yet another unproven Assistant??
the next Agar,Gentle or Radford. -take your pick.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I agree with you fully.
From AP's broader perspective gates are down say 1000 a game at £15 so £15k a game or £165k for the season. Say Radford's on £60k with a deal to November 2016 so in theory needs £90k to be paid out. There's quarter of a million quid unbudgeted shortfall - folk need to be realistic about the extent of change that can accommodated.'"
And of course the flip side of that is that (in your example) not spending that £90k may cost another £165k next season. So spending £90k now may effectively save him £75k. So like I said, possibly just sign one less player and it might end up being covered. Sign 2 or 3 less and you give yourself some funds for a new coach.
I'd honestly rather see a weaker squad with a good coach for 1-2 years than a stronger squad going to waste. At least that way it would hopefully be temporary whilst we bring some fans back in with good rugby and a team playing to it's capability, and money coming back in could then be spent on the squad again.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"1) Who said it was easy?
2) How many connections do you have in world rugby league?
3) Why are fans expected to know who is or isn't available?
4) Is it unreasonable to think that people involved in the game and at our club will have a bit more knowledge than us fans about who is available?
'" You're losing your own argument with comments like that.
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| Problem is now, peoples patience has run out. It was getting that way under Agar but he got binned and we believed again for a while.
Gentle came in, and to me he was underwhelming. I think people think of him more fondly now because of how bad it is under Radford.
The fact we have maintained the crowds we have, despite perennially underachieving, speaks volumes for the loyalty of the FC Fans.
Patience has gone now though. No more jam tomorrow. And you can't blame people for turning away and finding something else to spend their ever diminishing money on.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I'd be happy to wait until the end of the season with Horne taking the reigns until the end of the year.'"
You seriously need to give your head a bang
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| Quote ="ccs"You're losing your own argument with comments like that.'"
You don't have an argument. You said I'm kidding myself if I think it's easy to find a coach. I don't think it's easy, and have never claimed it to be.
I don't work in rugby league. I'm not on familiar terms with any coaches or agents in rugby league. Therefore I don't know which coaches are willing/looking to move clubs, or how much they cost. That doesn't mean there is none. You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that people in the game will know more than us about such matters.
Adding in your seeming requirement that our new coach should not be someone who is currently out of work after being sacked is just strange IMO. Plenty of coaches are sacked at some point in their career, it's the nature of the beast. A coach being sacked somewhere has absolutely no bearing on whether or not they are better than Radford.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"You seriously need to give your head a bang'"
Care to expand?
I don't want Horne to be given the job, but the sooner Radford and Last leave for me the better. If that happens Horne is pretty much last man standing, so if he acts as caretaker for a few months with a proven replacement coming in at the end of the year then I'm fine with that. He certainly can't do a worse job than Radford is doing.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler" You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that people in the game will know more than us about such matters.'" I can, and do, grasp the concept. It's pity more people on here don't.
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| Quote ="ccs"I can, and do, grasp the concept. It's pity more people on here don't.'"
So what point are you actually arguing? Are you suggesting that Radford is doing as good a job as is possible at Hull?
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| Going on AP's previous, maybe we will get Ian Dowie in until the end of the season.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"He may do. Or he may think that FC have lost £813k since he took over so why throw good money after bad if the fans have stopped supporting the club in expected numbers.
We can reiterate that it's his fault, consequences of his decisions, team not good enough/entertaining enough, blah blah blah. I totally get all of that. But from his POV he thought he could get results quickly for a limited investment. Cash has clearly been sed away on (in many cases) the wrong things. The supply of cash is not infinite, you'd assume and whatever the reasons for the current position, we are where we are. I personally doubt he's got the appetite or resources now to pay off another coach and his entire staff and bring in an whole new set-up with more people who are better qualified with attendances now settled under 10k which is what people on here seem to be suggesting is a reasonable, practical and instantly deliverable piece of change.'"
Spoken like a true accountant but pearson is an entrepreneur and he knows his only chance of getting his cash back is by us having some degree of success
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"So what point are you actually arguing? Are you suggesting that Radford is doing as good a job as is possible at Hull?'" All I said was
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Fairly straightforward, surely?
No mention of Radford.
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| What I don't appreciate is this implied threat that we won't have a team to support if we don't keep turning up in huge numbers. How many other clubs supporters would put up with the dire standard of rugby we have over the last 8 years , and still keep turning out in the numbers we have?. Not many.
The mantra of "just give us one more year" has ran out now.
We've waited for coaches to assemble "their teams" and still nothing's changed.
Going to rugby is not a cheap hobby anymore. Especially in these difficult financial times.
I just feel we're reaching a tipping point this year. People are going to start walking away from the game, and the club will struggle to get them back.
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| Quote ="ccs"All I said was
Fairly straightforward, surely?
No mention of Radford.'"
So you're arguing a point I (nor anyone else, I think) never made then. Fans thinking we need a new coach does not equate to thinking it's easy, it's just exactly what it is; thinking it's necessary. It's not easy, but neither is it impossible. I don't understand why you seem to want to criticise fans over it, tbh.
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| The FC Hierarchy - Allam - Pearson- Radford - Barista/CCS. All losers trying to bluff people into things are ok. Believe any at your peril.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"So you're arguing a point I (nor anyone else, I think) never made then. Fans thinking we need a new coach does not equate to thinking it's easy, it's just exactly what it is; thinking it's necessary. It's not easy, but neither is it impossible. I don't understand why you seem to want to criticise fans over it, tbh.'" I don't thing it's easy, you don't think it's easy, so you're not kidding yourself.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"The FC Hierarchy - Allam - Pearson- Radford - Barista/CCS. All losers trying to bluff people into things are ok. Believe any at your peril.'"
That's offensive and palpably untrue.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"The FC Hierarchy - Allam - Pearson- Radford - Barista/CCS. All losers trying to bluff people into things are ok. Believe any at your peril.'"
Spoken like the idiot you are!!
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| We are a souless Club . Hull FC. sold out years ago .
Everything that has been sown is now being reaped .
Hull FC are so far removed from their community, it is unbelievable!!
But don't worry, because Pearson isn't worried!!
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| Quote ="UllFC"First time I remember them being booed off at halftime and full time too!'" j
They were booed off at HT at the derby match. Equally my 9 & 6 year old wanted to leave the Derby with 25 mins to go. That's how low we have sunk. Kids not wanting to stay till the end. That's kids used to watching QPR which is not a barrel of laughs either.
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| Quote ="ccs"I don't thing it's easy, you don't think it's easy, so you're not kidding yourself.'"
28 Head coach jobs in the WORLD of rugby league and you think it would be hard to find a better one than Radford, stop talking rubbish, its boring
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"28 Head coach jobs in the WORLD of rugby league and you think it would be hard to find a better one than Radford, stop talking rubbish, its boring'"
Plus there is a high turnover as few keep their jobs for long. The sport produces more ex-coaches than fullbacks and we be not had a problem finding them.
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| Quote ="UllFC"First time I remember them being booed off at halftime and full time too!'"
Not allowed to boo, it was stated on here after we got nilled at home for the 4th season in a row
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