Definitely.

I was more after fans ideas regarding what would be a success or failure for the 2016 side in their eyes, rather than predictions, if that makes sense. Just to get a perspective of where we feel we should be.

I know this is a very big if, but if we'd beaten Castleford away early in the season, then we would have been equal 5th place, on points, this season.

I'd like to see us hit the ground running next year, use pre season effectively for once so that Radders knows his starting lineup before round 1 and we're not constantly tinkering and not building any consistency which then leaves us playing catchup for the rest of the season trying to catch the breakaway pack at the top of the league.

I'd consider a success to be a return to attacking rugby...drawing the fans back in, a cohesive team that has structure and composure to it, effective game management and reducing panic in the opposition's 20.

We should be aiming for at least 6th, but give it a real go to make the top 4...anything less and it will be another failure of a season and we'll be in the same position next year looking to 2017 with the "best squad yet" and "excellent recruitment" only for another season of disappointment!

a key thing for me will be Pryce & Sneyd have settled into the squad, especially Sneyd

Failure, 6th or lower, not getting close to the play-offs and not reaching the semi final in the cup
Acceptable, 4th or strong 5th close enough to get us into the play offs & CC semi final appearance
Success, 1st/2nd/3rd and maintaining one of those positions to the play offs, reaching final of the CC

The challenge cup predictions are silly, you need some luck and what it you draw Leeds away first round and have loads on injuries.

As others have said at least 6th, but be closer to the 4 for a real crack at the play offs. Leeds and Wigan should be top two, but don't think Leeds will be as strong, Sinfield and Peacock are massive for them and it depends if they sign a hooker or not. I reckon we have a really decent chance of the top 4.

Get what your saying about cup predictions Dave, but, nothing wrong with making it a real focus/goal from the start and making every sure every cup game is approached with a 'cup final' attitude.

Think most would agree finishing top or winning the GF is highly unlikely so in reality the CC is the only silverware to go for? In which case I want to see us spill blood in ever round trying to win it.

Granted Leeds away in 1st round may potentially ruin it anyway!

success would definately be top 4

would be expecting a top 6

anything less would be disappointing

not making the 8 would be failure

can't include the cup in this as a good run can depend on the luck of the draw

Surely by definition winning against SL opposition in the cup is what should be expected/classified as success no? Losing before getting to at least a semi final would be seen as failure, to look at it any other way is either defeatist or having no faith in the squad/coach

That team should definitely be in top 4 and by round 6 and we are doing crap then RL should go. we don't deserve to have those players if the coach can't make something of them. This will be his 3rd year and to be honest I can see no different to this year. To finish in Super 8 will be like this year. Great players does not make a great team unless you play as one.

We need a good solid start to our league campaign next year.
Winning only 2 from 8 this season left us behind the eight ball with ground to make up which made it really difficult for us.

Totally agree and the sad thing is had Hull started better they would have been up there still now contending as others were unusually poor such as Wire and Cas//Hudds/Cats at times.

We didn't have the easiest of the draw early doors, but still, it wasn't good enough.
Need to build momentum. Get the fans onside. Make the KC as difficult a place for away sides to come too as possible.
Radders and the players were under pressure after that poor start.
Think they deserved some credit for actually getting us into the 8 after such a shoddy start.
Top 6 minimum for me next season otherwise I'd show him the door same as I would have done if we hadn't made the 8 this year.

Yep, pretty much bang on.

After nilling Huddersfield it is a real shame the side didn't kick on but no point worrying now. Despite the doom and gloom merchants Hull have a great squad for next season, a good off field set up including coaches (no need for another bashing of the staff here) and some great Academy prospects ready to take their chance in the first team as so many have before them recently.

It is easy to blame Pearson for rolling out the same spin every season, and looking back it is probably justified but for once I actually think next year could be the one here Hull compete at the high end of the table and the smiles come back.

If that does not happen I think Radders will be the first to hold his hand up and fall on his sword.

I can hear the howls of derision from our more pessimistic forum members.


Also think and hope we could have a decent season next year.
I want Radders to succeed.
I like him.

Me too, I love the whole 'Team Hull' thing and if it worked it would be an amazing thing for not only Hull but the sport in general to see a squad and staff list made up of lads who understand the importance of the club in this area.

Plenty are gonna take some convincing though!!!

We have to improve our home form. We currently have just five wins from twelve this season which is poor.

Away from home in 2015 we have a better record than Wigan and Cas and as good as Saints. A better home record this year and we would have been pushing the top four.

Do you think the crowd play their part in this? Hostile and negative at times when things don't go their way?

Away from the KC Support is always top notch.

Yes, I have no doubt that is a factor.

but can the fans be blamed for that??? when we are playing well (at home) the crowd is top draw as well, its just the home form has been poor, so the fans venting their frustration.

if we are playing well, the fans will respond to that, if we aren't, again the fans will respond to that but in venting

Totally agree Offy. Why pay well earned money to see same old every week after 2 years we should be seeing some improvements.

I personally think we have seen big improvements this year.

I really hope not or this group are more fragile than I thought. The crowd reaction has been muted at worse and is a symptom of what's happening on the field, not the cause.

Bang on.

This team has to finish top four at the end of the super 8s or win the CC Cup Final - Anything else is failure imo