Of particular concern - apart from the ease with which they made ground - was the fact that they had so many men over when they scored their tries. The one where they went to the video ref (when Calderwood made the tackle over the line) was particularly bad - four men to our two.

Shocking is an over reaction IMO. Pish poor kick meant they started on the front foot for their full strength pack to move them further forward. Then an attacking kick would often get them a repeat set.

Actually thinking about it our defence was pretty good! Maybe one or two individual errors, thought Broughton's positioning was poor for the winning try. But then again he is a young lad on loan with limited first grade experience and who is primarily a centre.

Point is they should never have been in the position to force those repeat sets. There are 13 players on the pitch surely one of those can kick a ball, in fact the only decent kick i saw was when Houghton kicked it under pressure and it went to neither the full back or the winger, sure he would make a better kicker than gormless.

They made big yards as their forwards (Morley and Carvell), rans the ball in as if their backsides were on fire. Ours, with the exception of Thackray (who is too lightwieght adn bounces off ) don't.

Can anyone really say that Dowes, Cusack and King run the ball in with the same type of aggression that the Warrington props did tonight?

Then, tonight were have another example of one team working with effective (and not even world beating) halves who can create confusion and have a kicking game.

The other team clearly didn't have that.

Oh, and the coach needs to go and fast!

Our forwards run like they're playing touch and pass

You are Stevo and I claim my £5!

We lack Size, power and pace in the forwards. We've become too dependant on Manu for impact and missed him tonight.

And Thorman kicks like he's doing catching practice.

Hmmm... I see a pattern emerging. Maybe the players misunderstood Agar when he told them to play like they had in training.

I didn't think our defense was to bad tbh. Our kicking game was dire and this lead to Wire making easy yardage than it should have been. We don't help ourselves either with our "one step and wait " defensive play. We never seem to get in the faces of teams for any length of time during a game.

For me our defence is the best aspect of our game. We have a shocking kicking game, Must be the slowest team around the ruck by a mile. Have shocking tactics - 5 drives, poor kick. And when we do get to the opposition 20 - ball in hand we are so devoid of ideas its pitiful. Defence is just about the only thing giving us a chance in games

I think you're right there.

Maybe I should be coach - ha ha

I thought your defence was the best part of your game last night and held up well against a Wire side with attacking know how a plenty. Unfortunately defend was pretty much all FC did second half until you were playing catch up with 7 mins to go!

Also can someone inform me where Berrigan has gone? (Genuine question)

I really didn't think you guys had to defend that well, the amount of dropped balls and unforced errors made by Warrington in the first 60 mins in good field position was incredible. Luckily for FC, Warrington only turned up for the last 15/20 mins.

I can probably count on one hand the amount of times the ball went through more than 2 sets of hands, it was really poor to watch. Thorman's kicking game was very poor, no real bite in defence, I think the only plus point is that you now have a player at FB who can take a high ball and look relatively comfortable.

As is the fight to get up for a quick ptb.

watching other teams makes you realise how slow we are in that area.

Does anyone know the tackle count for yesterday?

Yup. Was a good experience to watch all 7 games in Edinburgh objectively and it really did emphasise how bad we are in so many areas of the game that are basic fundamentals.

thorman kicks straight to there players all the time houghton had 1 kick and he made space...

dont know why Houghton Lee and Horne didnt kick more as they are more effective.

2nd half effort was outstanding for about 20 mins, in the end the possession and territory told. Had we have had a few players back or not lost players during the game I think we would have won.

Thormans general play was far from inspiring.

However, i find it difficult to knock his second half kicking display.
He was being asked to kick accuratley from very long distances into a strong wind, not as easy as some of you experts would think.

I haven't seen one grumble regarding the kicking in the first half when we
constantly had them on the back foot and pinned in their own half for long periods. They merely did to us what we did to them.

We tired in the face of a big pack and a strong wind. Nuff !

For me it was Warrington's far better ball control in the last 15/20 that got them the win.

He's paid a lot of money to be a rugby player with a kicking game and can't find a gap about 40 yards wide. Almost all his kicks in the second half went straight to a man who hardly had to move to catch it on the full. I don't care if it was windy and raining, it's just not good enough.

Thing is, when you kick a ball with little power but masses of height to try and get distance no matter where it goes a player can run and get under it making it more difficult to find a gap. He needs to kick with a less height and more power which i dont think he is capable of.