Watts charged grade A so he may escape a ban, not that I'll be putting my life savings on it. Griffin charged grade B so at least one game.

Regarding the game then yes Hull's players did some pretty idiotic things and fell for the baiting far too easily but the Catalans time wasting was so flagrant that even the Sky commentators were harping on about it. Plus we got to hear a fair amount of what the referee was saying. Now I'm no fan of Child at all but he was put under enormous and constant pressure by several Catalan players and at times was basically ignored by them. I would like to know the RFLs view on this where organised team dissent is used. As for time wasting the NRL has done much to speed up restarts - maybe its time for SL to consider how to deal with this problem.

watts got off lightly with that I reckon but it wasn't malicious so hopefully he'll get away with it. I didn't even see the griffin incident but any player who touches the ref is a first class fook wit IMO. They know what will happen.

This season is getting tedious.

Watts one is unexpectedly low IMO. Good news.

So we could be without:

fonua
ellis
thompson
watts
griffin
taylor
bin man
sneyd

Did bowden come back on? manu looked busted and I was surprised he came back. kelly still carrying a knock, connor playing with a broken finger. tuimavave playing with butter on his fingers and has forgotten how to tackle

It's more like an episode of casualty that a rugby match

And while I'm on a rant, shouldn't punching an opponent in the head be a red card?

What kind of illness has Thompson got, surely he will be back next week?

Talanoa and Ellis must be close, hopefully Fonua and Taylor back soon.

Doubtful, but Watts might get NFA.

I'd have litten on the bench, play him at hooker and use Houghton at LF.

I don't believe anything Radford says about injuries

I'm with you Dave. Every week we include Ellis and Talanoa in the squad and, lo and behold, no sign of them on match day. Why can't the club be honest with us.

radford's saving them for the business end of the season

Be handy for the Derby

I agree dumb dumb dumb.
To take a seven point lead towards the end of the game and not expect or effectively defend a short kick off which led to a try is really dumb.
Radford needs to sort this out.To blame Catalans spoiling tactics and ball boys not returning the ball into play quicker is pathetic.

We are not going to miss Griffin.

Thompson fall out with Radford

We will if we have no one else to play there.

You will as you'll need a new scapegoat.

Good news. It's still frustrating that oloughlin pretty much did the same last week and there was no charge.

I dont think its just me who thinks Griffin is poop.You should wake up.
Even yesterday after he said he had something to prove did nothing.
He let Nick Rawsthorne take up most of the carries while he stood on the wing.
A 16 stone 6ft 4in player stand there doing nothing whilst a 14stone rookie is left to carry up the ball.
he was also at fault for their try.His position to catch the ball was correct,it was not too high but he dropped it.Rawsthorne coming in didnt help but should not have mattered.
If you want to defend him then fine.You wont find much support

Apart from the bomb and as you say two Hull players challenging doesn't help I didn't think Griffin did a lot wrong last night.

Rawsthorne certainly did more carries, only 2 though, but that's the style we play, wingers do more work from acting half, early in the sets.

No player is above criticism where its deserved, just you seem to have an obsessive phobia about Hull no 4s. First it was Yeaman and now Griffin where any valid points you may have quickly become lost in a paranoid witch hunt that rapidly becomes tedious. Has it occurred to you that it could be part of the coach's game plan that the wingers take the ball up more, after all that's what has usually happened with Radford's teams so perhaps he was obeying orders? He didn't have a great game yesterday but neither was it a stinker that cost the match.

imo griffin is the new whipping boy for some on here, didn't thing he had to bad a game yest, lets just give the kid a chance,

Phil Clark and company said there was nothing in it when O'Loughlin did it.Different yesterday,nobody stuck up for Watts.Accidental for Wigan,deliberate by Hull

To be fair I didn't think either of them warranted a red, yellows would have been fair but this is the problem with the sport, it's not just the refs who are poor, the match review panel don't even show consistency.

Don't know if he blamed the defeat on those reasons but he has a very valid point about the spoiling tactics and the slowness of the game.

It was absolutely ridiculous that they were allowed to reduce the game to such a slow pace.

If other teams follow suit then fans will leave the game in droves because it was so boring and not a good example of a spectator sport.

They were gone in the last 10 minutes of the 1st half and if we'd been allowed to play at a normal pace of a game we'd likely have scored in that period

The thing is he was the 'big' signing before we bagged kelly and bigged up by pretty much everyone on here in the thread that broke the news last year.
people thought he was a great signing/big and powerful/makes tons of metres etc etc.
So with that comes a certain expectation, especially after the big let down of Pritchard who was supposed to smash it in SL but was average far too often and could barely manage 30minutes a game (20 in some).
No-one wants him to fail or not play to what fans would expect him to play at given his credentials but so far he is well short of that.
deleted his public apology regarding his performance too I was reading.