Yes, the club/AP tell porkies about lots of things to suit their agenda, this is no different.
I never said there wasn't a fee, I said it isn't the £150/£135k, it doesn't really matter (as I've said previously)because as we've seen already whatever the amount is, it isn't going to impact our club in any way shape or form, we won't be signing anyone on a wage similar to Westerman (unless we free up that amount by getting shot of other players) and the fee doesn't impact the overall financial situation of the club.
HTH

Wrong organisation and as they are primarily an intelligence analysing organisation they wouldn't be up to much as covert as what happened on 11/9 but you also might want to check out the BS on the Boston Marathon fit up.
The moon landings I'm fairly sure happened, anything else?

I hope not

Why would people be more likely to believe a conspiracy theorist on an internet message board who puts across his bizarre opinions as fact, than people from the club?

That's a genuine question. Someone choosing to believe what the club says or not, that's fine, but why would people prescribe to your tale of events? What credibility or inside knowledge do you have? Do you have any facts to back up what you're saying? Do you think your posting history would count against people believing your negative spin?

Also, people who passive aggressively write 'HTH' after a post

Firstly, if you think the people who own and run the club spend time trying to concoct stories, then you watched the X files a little too much.

Secondly, If the fee wasn't £150k for Westerman, a figure quoted by both clubs in the press, then how much was it?

Thirdly, What wage was Westerman on?

Finally, how could the receipt of a significant amount NOT impact on the financial situation at the club?

Cretin!

Posting such as you have is against the forum rules, I'll be making a request to the mods that you are warned about such puerile behaviour.

It's like you calling Lee Radford a "turd". Only he isn't able to reply, of course.

So the club/AP have never stretched the truth/told direct lies...okay, whatever, you're wrong but you have your opinion.

I don't have the exact figure, do you, have you seen the amount as documented in the club accounts? if you think that we got £150k for Westerman and believe the club, good for you, I don't. I think it was right to sell him, but I don't believe we got the figure being bandied around.

How much he was on isn't relevant, however if as rumoured by many that that was enough for us to be able to get Carney here and stay under the cap that's all that matters. However the simple matter that IS important is we don't have cap space to fit anyone else on a similar wage/quality to Westerman and that to keep us under the cap we needed to let him go, again, believe what you want to but if you think that we would hold back the salary of an England international player to not sign another quality player, not to mention offer a years contract to Michaels (on the basis that Carney really was on the radar) is totally illogical.

Prove to me how whatever the amount of money has an impact on the club. how much net from expenses, agents fees etc of whatever figure you think it is and let me know what that money is being ploughed into that makes a significant difference to the club.
Without that money what would have been scrimped on, the coach...no, that's already a gimme, the backroom staff, nope again, we already scrimp on that too, the academy, well we all know what happened there.

I said he was a "turd of a coach" so get your facts right, as you full well know LR isn't a poster here so if I say I think LR is xxxx then that's not against the forum rules unless it is libellous in which case it would be removed.

Why would people be more likely to believe a conspiracy theorist on an internet message board who puts across his bizarre opinions as fact, than people from the club?

That's a genuine question. Someone choosing to believe what the club says or not, that's fine, but why would people prescribe to your tale of events? What credibility or inside knowledge do you have? Do you have any facts to back up what you're saying? Do you think your posting history would count against people believing your negative spin?

No, you called him a turd. The last time you denied it someone posted the quote and then you disappeared for a while, as is your wont.

Michaels resigned on the 31st of July.
Carney was suspended on the 27th of August.

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The Westerman deal hasn't come out of nowhere, so it's not that far a stretch to say we probably needed to release someone to ease cap pressure. Pearson himself even admitted it. I'm not convinced by the club that we have ALL of Westy's wage available and I hope to God we're not planning to waste all we have on BJB.

Not sure I follow your logic. If the cap is live, we sold Joe Westerman after all the wheeling and dealing was completed. Surely this means that the whole of his wage deal is now available for signing another player??????? This has no bearing on the fee we recieved for him, however much you believe we got. I cannot understand why you constantly try to debase the club, it's custodian and mangement setup. Your a supporter, supposedly, get over yourself and SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Depends if we've actually registered all of the players we've signed I'd guess. Maybe we had to let westerman go to sign manu for instance?

Or put another way, you have no evidence or back up to your claims. You just wish them to be true. You are the David Icke of this forum.

Also, SL contracts run from Nov 1st to Oct 31.

Probably the answer there then

Which clearly refers to his coaching ability as that was what was being discussed but interpret it whatever way you like.
As for the Michaels/Carney dates, totally irrelevant, are you saying we only became interested after Carney was suspended and after knowing what had happened belatedly asked the players what they thought...give over.
If we were so interested in signing someone else in the backs then why did we resign SM at that point, we already had 3 wingers already so why not wait, he was the obvious one to let go according to most fans here, certainly no-one else was after him.
You have your opinion & the club will run out whatever they like because certain fans lap up everything as gospel.

I'll interpret it in the same way as everyone else but you. You called him a turd.

I understand this logic but that's not what Bumpy posted.

Okay, you're right and everything the club say is true, congratulations...
Except my logic is far more sound than yours, if we have this supposed cap space left over from letting Westerman go how can we have the strongest squad possible by not spending right up to the cap? Do you think other clubs that are vying for the top spots will have the salary of a decent standard player (an England rep at that) unspent for next year?
I'm not saying Westerman was on a massive wedge but it combined with say for instance Michaels would be enough to get a replacement of a very decent stature for the backs.
Why, if we have this much talked about imbalance of quality between the forwards and the backs has this not occured, do you think wasn't noticed by the coach/club long before the actual selling of Westerman or of the Carney incident, do you not see the resigning of Yeaman & Micheals (& indeed Naughton to a degree) as a sure sign that we were never going to sign anyone else of quality in the backs (other than CT & MF) & that we needed to let Westerman go to get us under the cap?
Just because you are unable to see things and beleive anything coming out of the club to try put a positive spin on everything doesn't mean others have to follow suit, nor should it mean that other posters that disagree post abusive comments such as that that i responded to.

So he was right and you don't have any evidence to back up your claims?

You're basically making up a situation with no factual evidence of any of it happening, and then having a pop at people when they pull you up on it. What did you expect?





You could quite easily say that this happened: Our recruitment and squad was complete. However, afterwards, the club found that Westy was wanting away after his contract was due to expire in 2016, and decided that we're well covered in the back row and to cash in and free up the cap space. Then, looking at options on what to do with that new found space, they made enquiries to sign a decent, available back (in an area we're not short on in numbers, but definitely in quality).

What I've done there is exactly what you've done, just put pieces of a jigsaw together. Like you, I have no proof things happened like this, but I'm not arrogant enough to think everyone should believe it and it can't be challenged.

Michaels to Wakey, BJB, Chase, player votes, Shaul not wanting to get changed in front of him

, they're all just rumours from strangers on an internet forum. Relax and see what happens before getting angry. Surely this isn't the first off-season you've been on here, this kind of chat happens every year.