Beat me to it, ccs

So if they undertake work to limit the use of the arena for community groups (work which the council already know has started), they will tell the premier league that city don;t meet their requirements? What about taking legal action for the breach of contract between the SMC and Hull CC? Another meaningless threat from the council meaning they'll do nothing about the fundamental issue here

based on the additional he has been funding your arrogant rabble, I would say £1,783,284.

Thanks everyone we now await the Councils response, Stevenson is a good Chief Executive and a good solicitor too, he tried to take a balanced view at first when the politicians first involved him but he's now seen their true colours too, judging by the last line of the Premier League statement the City people are lying through their teeth.If Allam gets away with this will we be next when we do something that doesn't fit into his plans? Incidentally Humberside reporting that there is a protest going on out side the Arena tonight!

From Angus Young. He is the man on the inside at hcc. I would say it is a strategic leak, or an FOI request that has been efficiently dealt with.

Quote ="WormInHand"Sorry Wilf, here's a more legible version: The letters are all on Angus Young's Twitter, so assume they are copies that have been released to the media? They're also on the City forum Not606 which is a much more rational place since the scales fell from their eyes. One of the most balanced posters is dear old Chugger boy, banned from here when we exposed Allam for what he was 2 years ago, Lambrettaman didn't like what he read then. He's changed his mind now . The links to the letter appear to be to Hull City's official site, so appear kosher enough: www.hullcityonline.co.uk/img/air ... er-1-1.jpg www.hullcityonline.co.uk/img/air ... ehab-1.jpg www.hullcityonline.co.uk/img/air ... er-2-1.jpg Although why they'd voluntarily publish letters that reflect themselves in such a poor light coupled with Darryl Stephenson's which are so more articulate, measured and reasonable, outlining the facts to damn the Allams, is mystifying. Megalomaniacs or in denial? Or a bit thick?'" That's not the official club site. They are hullcitytigers

Quote ="WormInHand"Sorry Wilf, here's a more legible version: The letters are all on Angus Young's Twitter, so assume they are copies that have been released to the media? They're also on the City forum Not606 which is a much more rational place since the scales fell from their eyes. One of the most balanced posters is dear old Chugger boy, banned from here when we exposed Allam for what he was 2 years ago, Lambrettaman didn't like what he read then. He's changed his mind now . The links to the letter appear to be to Hull City's official site, so appear kosher enough: www.hullcityonline.co.uk/img/air ... er-1-1.jpg www.hullcityonline.co.uk/img/air ... ehab-1.jpg www.hullcityonline.co.uk/img/air ... er-2-1.jpg Although why they'd voluntarily publish letters that reflect themselves in such a poor light coupled with Darryl Stephenson's which are so more articulate, measured and reasonable, outlining the facts to damn the Allams, is mystifying. Megalomaniacs or in denial? Or a bit thick?'" That's not the official club site. They are hullcitytigers

Apologies - just realised that myself and have edited my post. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Makes more sense, though, seemed surreal that the Allams would want these in the public eye. Really exposes them for what their game is - so damning the petulance and unreasonableness on the one side and the logic and reason on the other. Hope they are getting reproduced over and over on social media - do the job very nicely, no more needs to be added.

Ehab has pressed the self destruct button with these letters. He will complain about that I am sure, but freedom of information act will no doubt be quoted to justify their release.

City forums showing a great deal of contempt towards the Allam family tonight.

The person who is helping the people of Hull is Angus Young and whoever is giving him copies of letters between the Council and the Allams, Ehab Allam is now the mouthpiece of his father and if the Council of Hull allow this thicko to dictate to them then I despair. He is so arrogant without knowing anything about life
I really think on another thought that any Hull FC Supporter should NOT take up the Direct Debit offer for passes next year because I think if the Arena issue is allowed to be given over to the Allams then we will be out of the Stadium this year.
Please Adam Pearson don't sit on the fence mate - they may have more money but but come on stand your corner.

The person who is helping the people of Hull is Angus Young and whoever is giving him copies of letters between the Council and the Allams, Ehab Allam is now the mouthpiece of his father and if the Council of Hull allow this thicko to dictate to them then I despair. He is so arrogant without knowing anything about life
I really think on another thought that any Hull FC Supporter should NOT take up the Direct Debit offer for passes next year because I think if the Arena issue is allowed to be given over to the Allams then we will be out of the Stadium this year.
Please Adam Pearson don't sit on the fence mate - they may have more money but but come on stand your corner.

Utterly astonishing levels of ineptitude.

Do they not see the flaws in their plans, or do they just think they can somehow overcome them through force of personality? and that that is somehow better than having a half decent plan?

Well done for completely missing the point I was making a turning it into a club vs club issue.

Well said BR. This is one of those occasions where we all stand together against a common threat.

Spoof planning application on not606, like the foul sewage bit

It also seems the Airco Arena is not big enough to meet the PL requirements ... so it would be rejected on those grounds alone... it really does make you wonder why the Allams are pushing this through....

None of the letters are marked private and confidential so I can't see any reason why they shouldn't be published.

Someone (a rather splendid poster, imo, based admittedly on my fleeting visits over there when more than one of the words "Allam/stadium/Tigers/toffee apple/Hull FC" appear in the media in the same sentence) on 606 has partially answered this question tonight. With thanks to the bare man in the sand:

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Quote ="Obadiah"The Council sent the letters to all Councillors I think. One of them may have leaked them to the press.

If the Council revoke the lease, the SMC would remain liable for the debts. A new rental agreement would have to be put in place between the Council and Hull City and Hull FC for continued use of the KC. The Airco would revert back to the Council who could then evict Hull City and put the amateur clubs back in. Hull City Tigers Limited and possibly Hull FC would have a claim against the SMC for any losses incurred by the breach of the lease.

One of the wonders of English company law. Ehab Allam wearing one hat can sue Ehab Allam wearing another hat. I hope that's clear.'"

I hope he doesn't mind me reproducing this - as Barham Red stated, it's a common foe we share. Also indicates the possible source of the letters obtained by Angus Young - any one of the Councillors who were (apparently) sent the letters? Have some doubts about this - is it plausible that all councillors would have received copies of the letters from both Allam and Stephenson?

IF and that is an unknown at this moment in time the council do not act to the fullest extent against the Allem's would that not make the council negligent themselves and/or possibly even unlawful for them not to act to protect the lease and its terms?

At this stage the letters from the council look on the face of it as if they are going to do something, to what extent who knows..but again IF they don't then it would be prudent to inform the Attorney General's Office of the failings of a LA in upholding/enforcing a legal document pertinent to the protection/betterment of the city/citizens under its control. It would certainly make the council more likely to sit up and act in the best interests of the masses even at the expense of taking the Allem's to court.

Absolutely terrible! .....A great facility that provided a place for many sports and many clubs within the community has now become a facility that will be used for a few hours a week all because the FA reigns supreme.

By the way, our silent East Hull oligarch has already payed off that loan from "Dr Allam" ......Shhhhhh, don't tell anyone!

I can confirm that councillors did indeed recieve a copy of the letters via e-mail, the e-mail WAS marked confidential, but I personally am happy that people are aware of what is really happening, I can assure people on here that the council has no intension of taking this lying down because remarks made earlier about future plans of the SMC may well come to pass if we just wave a white flag, I for one will be arguing that these facilities were not built for the exclusive use of Hull City AFC, but for the use of the people of Hull whatever their sport.
The reason I won't be a party to selling off the facilities is being born out now, what next padlocks on the gates, I remember Mr LLoyd all to well, yet his actions seem to have been forgotten because certain people think we are a backward council and should give him what he wants, the truth is Mr Allam does want to give a gift to the City, Hull City!

joke.. whats the difference between doctor allam and god? god doesnt think hes doctor allam

As noble rhetoric this is OK but let's be clear. Custodianship of public assets is your basic job and responsibility, including putting in place the right management arrangements and ensuring compliance. So spare us the emotive BS and act. Talk is cheap. The only substantive thing the council has done so far is not sell/gift him the stadium. Airco illustrates your loss of control and thus far lack of appetite to do what's right rather than what's easy. As Delia would say "Where are you? Let's be having you."

A totally over the top and innapropriate response to a councillor who's making positive noises about not taking this lieing down. You should be ashamed of yourself

Fully agree. We all know nothing will come of it and allam will continue to do what he wants with the stadium

The positive I can see is that Allam has now made enemies of senior members of the Labour Party, the local Labour Party, the Trade unions, HullFC fans, the Premier League, the local sports clubs who use the arena and now even City and Rovers fans are openly questioning him. That's a lot of people to annoy and a lot of battles to wage on many different fronts, he'll come a cropper at some point