I've answered numerous times too so aren't going to go over that. What i will say is maybe Berro has played like he did in Oz but it just doesnt suit our game. His distribution from acting half is slow and laboured. Maybe he's not as bad as i'm saying he is, but for the salary he's on and the quota space i expect more than he gives. As an ex Oz International i expect someone to come over and dictate a teams play. Brad Drew is a perfect example when he came over and i'm pretty sure he was never an international. He lead his team around though and single handedly won games, he was creative and he's been worth every penny teams have spent on him other than the last year or so.

Financially we dont get the benefit from Berro that i expect. I'd rather have 4 Danny Houghtons for the same money. Thats the comparison i guess i'm trying to say.

Agree that he should be doing better this year. I just don't agree that he hasn't been justifying his likely wage and quota spot prior to now, nor that he won't again so should be cut loose.

On paper the pack looks special but in reality I don't remember us dominating anyone all season

On this season possibly not, but I think people are being silly to overlook the past 2 seasons when he quite obviously has. He's been comfortably our most polished and capable player in that time, with only Dykes coming close for real craft. In 2008 he pretty much carried the team single-handedly when we really struggled. If not for him I honestly think we would have finished bottom.

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I think fans expected him to dominate games more ala Cunningham. I also think they expected more line breaking dummy half runs and more x factor plays in general.

The one poor thing about Berro is his distribution, it's hesitant and slow. He also looks like he's lost the pace he used to have.

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do you reckon all these injuries have played a part

Possibly, won't have helped.

Berrigan made it perfectly clear whaen he got here that he was a player who just went about his business on the field quietly and otherwise kept himself to himself. There were numerous hard working defensive hookers that could have played that role for us in the UK especially as his "flair" has all but disappeared over the last 18 months or so. Not his fault. He was signed and presented as a "marquee" player and came at a hefty cost. An expensive marquee player needs to be inspirational , do lots of work off the field and be special on it. He's been generally ordinary. He has had no more real impact on the team or our performances over the period he's been here that a number of other less expensive 9's could have done.

hatEhat a load of tosh.Do you lot not see what Shaun has done since his arrival?He was our best player the first 2 years playing out of position and not fully fit.Even when he did play at 9 he never had the players around him.He took us forward every game,not to mention the work he does in defence.
Fair enough he not been as good this year but give him time.He's had a tough time this year and injurys not been good either.
World class?DEFO.You just watch him shine next season.
Richard Swain is 1 of my all time greats by the way.

WhhaShat a load of tosh.Do you lot not see what Shaun has done since his arrival?He was our best player the first 2 years playing out of position and not fully fit.Even when he did play at 9 he never had the players around him.He took us forward every game,not to mention the work he does in defence.
Fair enough he not been as good this year but give him time.He's had a tough time this year and injurys not been good either.
World class?DEFO.You just watch him shine next season.
Richard Swain is 1 of my all time greats by the way.

I agree, he's not been terrible by any means but I can't see how anyone can argue that the cap-space he takes up could be better used elsewhere.

I'm sure it has, but pace isn't the kind of thing you get back once you lose it.

He has plenty of pace still,maybe not as much as younger years but enough.Kieron Cunningham got no pace but would you say no to him?Shaun makes things happen without pace,that delayed pass him uses unlocks defences time after time.These are the things a lot of people don't see though.
Who would you like to bring in on his wage and quota?of the available players.

His pedigree is way above that of monaghan but I know which I'd rather have

So putting 2008 to one side do you think he's been value for money in 2009 and 2010?

Wire fans wanted rid of Monaghan right up until Smith took over. Over their entire SL careers I'd say there's not much difference in their value for money. Monaghan is clearly in better form now though.

I don't know. Exactly how much money are we talking about?

I always thought Monaghan played well at 7 before Smith was there, remember him having a blinder against us on his debut.

What do you think's he's been worth. Any estimate above £75,000 per year would make it a loss for FC imo.

I've highlighted the key bit. Maybe that's why we've not seen the best of berrigan

He had a few good games but was mostly unimpressive, to the point where Wire fans were offering to buy him a ticket home at times. Has been much better since Smith restructured the side and is now showing why he was sought after when he became available.

Worth noting that he's had a much easier time of it at Wire regards injuries and team structure than Berrigan has, mind.

In 2009, yes. Or at least as much as anyone in our squad were value for money. We were still mid table up until he was out injured, and the slump set in shortly after then. Coincidence?

2010, no, I've already agreed with you.

By my reckoning then, that's one outstanding season, one very good one then ruined by injury, and one disappointing one. Still puts him ahead of most of our squad, so I strongly disagree with the amount of criticism thrown his way and consider calls for him to be shown the door way out of line.

We may have been mid table but after the first 5 games we started to slump and never recovered, very few players were value for money last season.

Let's see how Berro bounces back today.