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| Quote ="PAUL M"Eh
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I THINK KIRKE WOULD BE OUR BEST AND MOST CONSISTENT FORWARD!
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| Quote ="Raggytash"I THINK KIRKE WOULD BE OUR BEST AND MOST CONSISTENT FORWARD!'"
Like I said, eh
If you actually believe that then I am not wasting my time disagreeing with you. Kirke is a solid player and would do the same job for most other SL teams.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Like I said, eh
If you actually believe that then I am not wasting my time disagreeing with you. Kirke is a solid player and would do the same job for most other SL teams.'"
Because our pack is simply packed with quality right? Kirk has line impact and pace which is something our pack is sorely lacking.
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| Lauaki will massively improve our pack.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Lauaki will massively improve our pack.'"
I agree.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Lauaki will massively improve our pack.'"
I think he will aswell lets just hope he has kept himself fit , anyone know if he is still training with NZ warriors ?
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Lauaki will massively improve our pack.'"
He will prove to be an excellent signing, if we ever see him.
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| dont worry he will be here paul, j rule said so
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| Quote ="biffa.fc"dont worry he will be here paul, j rule said so
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Ah right, no worries then
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Manu is the only forward that would attract the attentions of the top SL clubs and he would probably be fantastic in a good team.
Horne and Briscoe are probably the only two backs that would be pursued.
That says a lot about our current squad whish has so few "stand out players" a too many that "do a job".
too many average players + average coaches = average team'"
At last!! - We have a winner!!
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Of course all teams need a workhorse but we have a pack full of them.
Dowes is a decent workhorse but if you think that Leeds, Saints etc.. would want to snap him up if he were to become available, your opinion of him is way too high.
In Dowes, Cusack, Radford, Tickle, King we have such an ordinary workhorse pack and it is the biggest reason (along with playing without a SH) that we are as poor as we are.
Dowes would be a better forward if most of those other forwards were replaced with more quality.'"
As i have said he is better than some of their props in their starting 17, so I think he would.
I agree with the rest of your post.
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| Quote ="Dave K."As i have said he is better than some of their props in their starting 17, so I think he would.
I agree with the rest of your post.'"
I wasn't having a go at Dowes and I do rate him as one of our better props (not that there is much to be better than).
I was having a go at another aspect of our retention/recruitment which has resulted in probably the smallest group of props in SL with the least go-forward but a willingness to work hard. Very boring/frustrating to watch.
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| In today's League Express that Cusack had started negotiations on a new deal before his injury.
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| FANTASTIC !!!! I had a strong feeling that this would happen. So much for our clear-out for 2010 and bringing in quality with our space in the salary cap. Agar must have a real vision for our squad next season if he sees Radford and now Cusack as integral parts of our pack. Let's get everyone signed up now Agar!! All the forwards that don't go forward and all the mediocre utility players that we have in abundance !!
Who will it be next Agar ???? Thorman ?? Byrne back after his injury is sorted ??
This man has no idea what our squad needs in order to compete again at the top of SL !!!
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"In today's League Express that Cusack had started negotiations on a new deal before his injury.'"
We really aspire to improve don't we?
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"FANTASTIC !!!! I had a strong feeling that this would happen. So much for our clear-out for 2010 and bringing in quality with our space in the salary cap. Agar must have a real vision for our squad next season if he sees Radford and now Cusack as integral parts of our pack. Let's get everyone signed up now Agar!! All the forwards that don't go forward and all the mediocre utility players that we have in abundance !!
Who will it be next Agar ???? Thorman ?? Byrne back after his injury is sorted ??
This man has no idea what our squad needs in order to compete again at the top of SL !!!'"
Quota drops again for 2011 though. A 1 year deal for Cusack given his good start to the season is not outrageous in that context, with other overseas players (Lauaki, Berro, Fitz) all signed up already on longer deals.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"We really aspire to improve don't we?
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The only people aspiring to a quality squad are the people on here. Radford and now Cusack are obviously the first parts of a jigsaw that will ultimately result in another average squad for the 2010 season.
We have become a laughing stock !!!! Agar is obviously going to continue on this road to cementing us into total mid-table mediocrity.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Quota drops again for 2011 though. A 1 year deal for Cusack given his good start to the season is not outrageous in that context, with other overseas players (Lauaki, Berro, Fitz) all signed up already on longer deals.'"
He is the opposite of what we need in our front row and, for me, was the very obvious forward to make way for a big go-forward prop. But no, Agar obviously wants a hard working pack rather than one that actually takes us forwards.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"He is the opposite of what we need in our front row and, for me, was the very obvious forward to make way for a big go-forward prop. But no, Agar obviously wants a hard working pack rather than one that actually takes us forwards.'"
First of all, I fully agree that our pack is in desperate need of some go-forward and impact. However, looking at the other side of the equation...
You need more than one workhorse prop. At the moment we (nominally at least) use Dowes and Cusack. When Cusack goes his role will need to be replaced. That would mean using Radford, King, Thacks or Maloney. IMO Cusack is a better workhorse prop than any of those (although Maloney is still developing of course).
I guess it would depend on who else is being signed and/or released, but having Cusack here for one more season isn't necessarily as daft as it sounds. Although I would question whether it's the best use of a quota spot.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"He is the opposite of what we need in our front row and, for me, was the very obvious forward to make way for a big go-forward prop. But no, Agar obviously wants a hard working pack rather than one that actually takes us forwards.'"
We have already stregthened our pack - Lauaki has been described as a "human wrecking ball" and Fitzgibbon will improve us.
We have Berrigan, Fitzgibbon and Lauaki already signed up for 2011 as overseas players. The quota, I think, is 5. We therefore have 2 spots left for 2011. We need a scrum half and either a FB or Centre for the other 2 -class overseas players will only come on a 2 year plus deal therefore to offer Cusack a 1 year deal for 2010 was not a bad call. Since his serious injury, though, I'd hope we were exploring alternative options.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"He is the opposite of what we need in our front row and, for me, was the very obvious forward to make way for a big go-forward prop. But no, Agar obviously wants a hard working pack rather than one that actually takes us forwards.'"
you need hard working props grow up and realise this
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Quota drops again for 2011 though. A 1 year deal for Cusack given his good start to the season is not outrageous in that context, with other overseas players (Lauaki, Berro, Fitz) all signed up already on longer deals.'"
So with a "9 year" SL licence (as some spinners like to say) we are signing 32 year old Aussies on one year deals. Fantastic building of the future that
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"So with a "9 year" SL licence (as some spinners like to say) we are signing 32 year old Aussies on one year deals. Fantastic building of the future that'"
I'd forgotten Fitz was just a one year deal Good thinking by the club that as it leaves options open for 2011 when the overseas total drops to 5. Not sure we can write off the club's plans of "building for the future" until we see the full squad for 2010, although you must admit, with the homegrown requirement increasing every year, it's good business to have signed up Briscoe, Burnett and Houghton.
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| Quote ="dennison15"you need hard working props grow up and realise this'"
Grow up ???? f$ck you !!!
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Grow up ???? f$ck you !!!'"
Very grown up.
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