Which 2 games were they?

best player on the pitch by a mile against the team we love to hate (4assists) https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ry-4655235 And then again vs Warrington, two huge games he produced the goods from fullback (3assists) Won't let me share the sky link vs Warrington

best player on the pitch by a mile against the team we love to hate (4assists) https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ry-4655235 And then again vs Warrington, two huge games he produced the goods from fullback (3assists) Won't let me share the sky link vs Warrington

Who is nit picking? We are discussing where we see players being used to benefit the team most, we don't all agree on that and that is fine, that's what discussion forums are about!
Connor is a weaker defensive FB compared to Shaul IMO, offers less in terms of backing up breaks, being able to scoot from dummy half/open field. I don't dislike Connor, i just want to see him in a position were we get the most benefit, with a more expansive team that could have been at centre where we've seen him be brilliant. Shaul's long term injury has dictated things to a degree for this season but so has the fact we've four front line centres on our books, it created, a situation of squeezing Connor on the bench - in favour of another forward, because we had Griffin/Carlos at centre and last season with the reintroduction of Fonua, Griffin being used as a pseudo forward. We lost Kelly for significant portions so Connor played at 6 but he's not and never has been a 6, much like Carlos is not a 6 either. It's fitting square pegs into round holes

Will Connor at FB bring us more tries in the 20, possibly, but we lose something at centre and also I think we have a weaker defensive FB that what we had. I just want what's best like everyone else who supports the club, hope things pan out but converting centres to FB and second row respectively because we've too many players in the same position isn't ideal by any stretch. it might work out fine, more than fine but we should never have been in that situation in the first place.

Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"best player on the pitch by a mile against the team we love to hate (4assists) https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ry-4655235 And then again vs Warrington, two huge games he produced the goods from fullback (3assists) Won't let me share the sky link vs Warrington'" ..... RFL stats have him down with 4, 2 and 0 from our last 3 games.

Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"best player on the pitch by a mile against the team we love to hate (4assists) https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ry-4655235 And then again vs Warrington, two huge games he produced the goods from fullback (3assists) Won't let me share the sky link vs Warrington'" ..... RFL stats have him down with 4, 2 and 0 from our last 3 games.

RFL stats are wrong. its the RFL they couldn't count with an abacus

I'm aware it's a forum I feel people are nit picking with Connor, two huge performances in two huge games at fullback produced 7 assists, that shows the class of the guy in the correct pivot role, he'l improve further under Hodgson.

With it being a forum and we post opinions I think some on here have got Connors best position wrong.
If your going to point out defending, and mention Shaul. Defending is one of Shauls major flaws, if you go back to the Warrington game where they hammered us last season I think it was the game we sacked Radford, I have it recorded, then watch it back and don't watch the ball for Warringtons tries, watch Shaul, you l see all his defensive flaws. Doesn't come over in the Ingoal area to cover actually just jogs or walks. Makes bad decisions coming into the defensive line when teammates are there .

Sorry but Connors a better all around fullback, doesn't have Shauls speed but makes up for that in other ways, superior reading of the game, positioning

Just my opinion , I think itl prove correct next season ..........

"A huge performance" against the bottom club with the worst defensive record in the league, a slight exaggeration I think.

You then single out Shaul in one of the worst team performances in a long time. We'll miss him this coming season.

Derbys are always unpredictable read the forums on matchday when we play rovers a lot don't predict huge wins.
Was Warringtons defence crap too?

Like I say go back and watch Shaul individually in numerous games you l spot his defensive flaws.

Or don't doesn't matter to me.

We won't miss him, Connor will thrive. Bookmark this convo and we l rediscuss at the end of the season

Enjoy your week

Bit conflicted on this point. Derbies hold more emotional importance than the average fixture but I don't think you can call a match against a team with 3 SL wins in 572 days (including one against Salford's academy) "huge". However I am looking forward to seeing Connor being a different dimension to FB. Hopefully he gets over his injury soon.

You're nit picking aren't you? As mentioned the Warrington game was a massive team defeat that for the most part lay at the hands of the coach, putting it all on Shaul is disgraceful and disrespectful!
Shaul gets to the ball faster than Connor does on kicks, from what I've seen of Connor so far Shaul is safer under the high ball, he's able to make more metres coming out of defence than Connor and whilst I think he could do more regards on the goal line defence I feel he's able to make tackles more so than Connor ever will able to do.
Yes connor hs some advantages in attack but we lose some of his guile by moving him FROM (not to) centre, with a differing coach Shaul could have had a shout at changing how he fitted into the attacking line and our ability to get the ball to the backs with more space and not always reliant on a kick from Sneyd could have negated some of Shauls' previous limitations. And whilst that limitation is frustrating it's not a massive part of the equation as to why we fail in the opposing 20 is it?

You can't now make a direct comparison going forward of Connor at FB to Shaul in a team that was disorganised, and oft imbalanced, because we have a 6 who is quality, should give us real impetuous in attack (and not too shabby in defence either from what I've seen) will hopefully play more games than the outgoing 6 and a coach who is going to do the 'small' things and improve core skills/understanding of what is required.
Will Connor do well at FB, very likely, but to slander Shaul when he's only ever been under a coach with no clue regards core skills, no grasp of how backs should play (Lineham stated this after he left and worked under Hodgson) and latterly in a team getting record wallopings is massively unfair!

Shaul is over rated, simple.

no hes not.simple

shaul is still a good FB and when fit woulds start there imo, but connor has got the position for most of this year so lets see how it goes, nice problem to have when both fit

Jake has hands like shovels, he’s safe and confident under most high balls, he did make a couple of uncharacteristic blobs under swirling high bombs, don’t remember which game it was.

Taking kick returns from whichever position he plays, he’s probably the safest pair of hands in the team.

Speed is a funny thing, some have it over a few meters, then slow off, Jamie has genuine pace, and has shown many times he’s a match winner, and dangerous threat.

Jake has all the promise of an outstanding footballer, and we will hopefully see this massive potential unfold on the pitch under our new coach.

In my humble opinion, the most important thing Brett needs to concentrate on, is get them all fit, as in the recent past, Hulls fitness levels seemed a way behind other teams.

Sorry I stopped reading at disgraceful and disrespectful hahahaha Jesus wept are you 6?

What rating is that precisely and by whom?

it's you who are clearly unable or unwilling to enter into a proper conversation, you stopped reading because you flog a player who has done very well for us and I disagreed, thought you were being very disrespectful and your response is that., that really is special, it really clarifies your level.
Grow up and debate like an adult or is playground slanging all you can do?

Just to add my own thoughts regarding Shaul & Connor both have pro's and con's to their game. Personally for me I think the Connor has the edge over Shaul at FB currently. Considering Connor was thrown in at FB due to the unfotrunate injury to Shaul I thought he showed up well in that role as was an effective pivot.

Yes Shaul has pace and has indeed used that well in his game but where he has been lacking for a while is his link up/support play as a FB. Also when he did join in the attacking line the play more often than not ended with himl as he took the wrong option or ran down a dead end. He was very good under high balls but over the past season or two he has certainly not been as secure, quite often hesitant and letting the ball bounce. I believe there is a good full back in there and he has been let down by the Coaching team I would argue that a degree of apathy crept in with his closeness to Radford playing a part in performance levels (like Houghton). Under Hodgson a lot of Shauls minus points should improve quite significantly as we saw earlier when BH spent some time with Shaul previously.

Connor for me is a player that is just a natural and in some ways quite similar to Whiting in that he reads the game so well and has a real talent just lacks a little bit of pace and his temperament & desire to do well gets the better of him.
He is secure under high balls has a great leap and the ability to link up play. He's a player than when used effectively can be unplayable and I believe thats what BH has seen in Connor. Again like Shaul he will only improve under the guidance of BH.
In terms of lack of pace for a full back you only have to take a look back to Paul Wellens who I wouldnt say was a speedster at all in the FB role but he was a player that knew the role well and could read the game and see situations developing so was able to get in the right place at the right time.

Right now for me Connor has the edge over Shaul because of his all round game in the FB role and he adds that extra dimension to the attacking play which is what Shaul needs to work on.

A well constructed accurate and grown up assessment. Thankfully.

Great summary without any dramatics needed.

Pretty much my thoughts. Really looking forward to Connor at fullback with Hodgson as coach.

Haha was feeling a bit depressed until reading the last couple of pages, made me laugh, Jesus some people can rant! Personally think we are in a good position, unfortunate for shaul to miss a chunk of the season, but really is a great opportunity to have a look at Connor at 1, over a decent period. Maybe have the discussion then, who’s the better fullback, Connor looks very promising, but we’ve seen that before. And shaul as always been a dangerous consistent fullback, I’m excited to see who eventually ends the season at fb! Both can be quality players

I still say Briscoe.

Briscoe was amazing used to break his nose every game stopping try's lol

I still say Motu Tony.

Briscoe v Tony was the original forum splitter

Wasn't everything Blackloks fault?

Which was insane as Briscoe was significantly better than Tony in that position though MT was more flexible regards differing positions.