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| Omitting the win from last night, the performance clearly shows that the
coaching team is unable to remedy our deficiencies.
Radford is in a 'Death Row' scenario, where his execution is.. not an 'If'
but a 'when'.
After listening to his interview, where he states that when Ellis & Paea, our attack will be transformed, he is clearly in denial ,that the coaching team cannot improve our much maligned attack.
He states, we run the same plays as Leeds Rhinos, but they implement these plays with speed & precision, through repetitive drills in training.
we dont.
I sincerely hope Pearson, changes his policy of appointing from within,
as the next in line, is cut from the same cloth, that is woven from the same fabric, that has caused our demise.
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| Having listened to the interview, I don't think there was too much aimed at the fans IMO.
Doesn't change my opinion that LR hasn't got the skills to pay the bills in terms of attacking plays and then getting his players to execute his ideas (having said that, I don't believe Anderson, McDermott and Wane come up with Leeds and Wigans attacking plays, it's more likely that comes from attacking coaches and there in lies the problem).
The big faux pas LR made in that is he fell into that old trap of comparing us against KR. Claiming their fans are enthused and enjoying a season of entertaining attacking rugby, yet our fans are suicidal but we are above them.
What of course he doesn't realise that being above KR is as relevant as being above Widnes or Wakefield (to most FC fans).
Using the old we are turd but we are above KR shout doesn't wash with me. I watched them lose 60-0 last night, if our barometer of success is just being better than that, then we've had it.
But, we did win a game that we might have lost a few weeks back, and the players deserve a little credit for hanging in, regardless of the opposition.
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| Strike players wasn't the wrong term, he should have said keys players, Westy, Shaul, Paea and Ellis are all massive players for us and big losses.
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| Quote ="Jimmy Carr"Having listened to the interview, I don't think there was too much aimed at the fans IMO.
Doesn't change my opinion that LR hasn't got the skills to pay the bills in terms of attacking plays and then getting his players to execute his ideas (having said that, I don't believe Anderson, McDermott and Wane come up with Leeds and Wigans attacking plays, it's more likely that comes from attacking coaches and there in lies the problem).
The big faux pas LR made in that is he fell into that old trap of comparing us against KR. Claiming their fans are enthused and enjoying a season of entertaining attacking rugby, yet our fans are suicidal but we are above them.
What of course he doesn't realise that being above KR is as relevant as being above Widnes or Wakefield (to most FC fans).
Using the old we are turd but we are above KR shout doesn't wash with me. I watched them lose 60-0 last night, if our barometer of success is just being better than that, then we've had it.
But, we did win a game that we might have lost a few weeks back, and the players deserve a little credit for hanging in, regardless of the opposition.'"
His dig at the fans isn't the issue for me, it's the fact he seems convinced we're a great attacking side held back by injuries to players who will make a difference to our attack. We're not and none of the injured players will have a transformative effect on our attack.
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| I listened to both interviews on the way home and Chester was big enough to admit "the buck stops with me". I can't recall LR ever having said this, it appears its always the players' fault. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Strike players wasn't the wrong term, he should have said keys players, Westy, Shaul, Paea and Ellis are all massive players for us and big losses.'"
They are but none would (or have when they've played) make that much difference to the attacking structures. radford made mention of strike players and something about leeds getting players "3 on 3" (from memory, can't be bothered to listen again) and creating something from nothing. We haven;t done that since he took over so it's unlikely to suddenly happen.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"I listened to both interviews on the way home and Chester was big enough to admit "the buck stops with me". I can't recall LR ever having said this, it appears its always the players' fault. Please correct me if I'm wrong.'"
No I can't.
And I fear that after the next 3 games we will back in 11th repeating the same old stuff.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista""Whether KR play Wigan, Bradford or Rochdale, they're always going to score points." Oops.'"
To be fair take 8 1st choice players out of any team,and your chances of scoring decrease,and when a couple more get injured during the match,its not a real surprise.Also chester didnt blame injuries unlike some coaches,he just said it was men against boys and they were too good.
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| Quote ="deslawson"To be fair take 8 1st choice players out of any team,and your chances of scoring decrease,and when a couple more get injured during the match,its not a real surprise.Also chester didnt blame injuries unlike some coaches,he just said it was men against boys and they were too good.'"
Yeah, may as well throw the towel in and let the opposition take the piiss
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Yeah, may as well throw the towel in and let the opposition take the piiss'"
You should be well used to that,getting beat and radford making excuses.Radford takes the piiss and most of you have took 2 years to see it.
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| Much as I want Radford to succeed his coaching inexperience is costing us. I believe he has the hard mentality we appear to miss on the field but he is still struggling with a professional coaching approach in which he does not favour his long standing buddies (like Yeaman) who are average SL players at best. We are still soft and make really stupid decisions in both defence and attack - the low point for me was giving catalans a chance to score after the end of first half hooter with a stupid poor pass from sneyd which was dropped by a forward. For me Sneyd is i am afraid a little windy and frightened to go right upto the defensive line before releasing a pass. in the cats game he should have had the guts to hold the ball and take the last tackle.
The squad we have ( 3rd highest wage bill in SL according to pearson) is not performing to full potential. how much is down to poor coaching and poor recruitment I am not 100% sure but the coach must take responsibility for a lot of it. I think Radders is honest and committed to doing his best for the club but in my assessment of his comments a loss to Salford at home yesterday should have resulted in him offering his resignation. Salford came well understrength and we expected a big reaction from the players to the Huddersfield shambles so a scrape home 4 point win is not much to get excited about. We won so he gets a stay of execution.
maybe I am reading too much into it but i do not want to hear the coach of Hull FC say in an interview that we are in 9th spot and 1point away from where we WANT TO BE. Is it really our target just to be 8th !!!. pearson said from his start just reaching the 8 would never be an acceptable level of mediocrity under his tenure. I cannot believe Pearson thinks he is getting value for money from the first team squad.
the brightest point for me is however the investment put into the junior levels of the club in the last 4 years is starting to come to fruition. the U16 and 19's are excelling under Horney. we clearly have the requisite talent coming through - the question is are we transferring and developing these players in to top SL to make us the top 4 side we should be.
I am coming to the wire game next week but i really don't know what we will get. its a fair trek from Switzerland and its my yearly treat so I hope we compete.
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| Quote ="deslawson"Quote ="Jake the Peg"Yeah, may as well throw the towel in and let the opposition take the piiss'"
You should be well used to that,getting beat and radford making excuses.Radford takes the piiss and most of you have took 2 years to see it.
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On the contrary, many of us knew what would happen as soon as Radford got the job.
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| Quote ="deslawson"You should be well used to that,getting beat and radford making excuses.Radford takes the piiss and most of you have took 2 years to see it.
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In SL playing terms; Radford''s got 5 months on Chester with a better win ratio, right?
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| Quote ="deslawson"To be fair take 8 1st choice players out of any team,and your chances of scoring decrease,and when a couple more get injured during the match,its not a real surprise.Also chester didnt blame injuries unlike some coaches,he just said it was men against boys and they were too good.'"
So are you blaming injuries or not? You're citing them as a reason for the loss but implying it's wrong to do so.
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| Quote ="deslawson"You should be well used to that,getting beat and radford making excuses.Radford takes the piiss and most of you have took 2 years to see it.
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Have you seen your result from last night?
I only ask, because if you had, surely you wouldn't be on here taking the mickey out of our problems? Seems to me you have your own issues to consider? Just a thought like.
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| dead man walking
a man clutching at straws to keep his job and blaming anything to take the focus of how poor a job he is doing
in his mind Rovers fans are better than us (and they might be) so why doe he not do one and clear off to the dark side
i'm sure we could muddle through without him
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| Quote ="deslawson"You should be well used to that,getting beat and radford making excuses.Radford takes the piiss and most of you have took 2 years to see it.
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At least the Hull fans know their coach is shiite
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"So are you blaming injuries or not? You're citing them as a reason for the loss but implying it's wrong to do so.'"
Iam blaming injuries for the manner of the defeat last night,to be fair its a game which would be difficult win at the best of times,but missing ,mantellato,campese,goulding,tilse,larroyer,allgood,salter and lunt,seven of which would be certain starters,would make a difference to any team.The coach didn't blame injuries,just said we have to get on with it and it was men against boys.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"At least the Hull fans know their coach is shiite'"
How does it go "In gentle we trust".
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| Quote ="deslawson"How does it go "In gentle we trust".'"
Obviously not, he left a season and a half ago. Try again
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Obviously not, he left a season and a half ago. Try again'"
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| Quote ="deslawson"Iam blaming injuries for the manner of the defeat last night,to be fair its a game which would be difficult win at the best of times,but missing ,mantellato,campese,goulding,tilse,larroyer,allgood,salter and lunt,seven of which would be certain starters,would make a difference to any team.The coach didn't blame injuries,just said we have to get on with it and it was men against boys.'"
So you're blaming injuries. Chester will be disappointed with your apologism.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"At least the Hull fans know their coach is shiite'"
Yeah but you're wrong, it's the refs fault, no the players fault, no sorry the fans fault.. Don't you listen to Lee
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| Quote ="barham red"Yeah but you're wrong, it's the refs fault, no the players fault, no sorry the fans fault.. Don't you listen to Lee'"
He'll be quoting chaos theory when we get bummed by wire next week
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| Where I was at the top of the South Stand, pretty much every single person around was was calling for Radford to go. This win changes nothing, we were again dire and one dimensional for the entire game and the fans know that. Winning ugly is not what i want, I want to see an attacking team with flair. Basing an entire teams direction on defence and go forward is just not good enough. Listened to the interview on the way back to Leeds in disbelief, looking at the next few fixtures its going to be tough. Haven't decided whether to go to Wire next week, running the Leeds Half sunday morning, not sure I can face the drive over after that.
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