Of course the coach and the players all need to accept responsibilities, but had Agar still been our coach we'd be 9th/10th and not 6th. We'd not have beaten Leeds and probably not Rovers on Good Friday.

Look, if you still think Agar is the coach to make you a top side then good luck to you. In 2009 we won our first five games but then won only five out of the remaining twenty-two games all year.

This is in danger of becoming another RL fans myth. He didn't say there were any in house issues. He was asked if he could put his finger on what went wrong and he said their were a couple of issues but he would keep them on house. He stressed it was nothing sinister but he would prefer to keep it in house. Now to me that sounds like a few players need an attitude adjustment and Gentle didn't want to single them out.

Exactly how I heard it. It was a coach saying that he knows what is wrong but he's not about to single out individuals or discuss the technicalities of it publicly which is the position he should take as the coach.

We're having a bit of a bad patch at the moment, this happens to most teams at one time or another during a season and the judgement on the players & coach is not during said bad patch but how it gets reacted to and the speed with which it is done.
Let's face it we're not a top side this year so a run of a few poor games is nothing we should be too surprised about, but if we don't at least see a positive reaction soon then it will be more worrying.

2 wins, a draw and 5 losses in the last 8. The next 4 games don't look too appealing either. Could easily be 2 wins in 12 games

Fair point, but as you also have said with a couple of results over the past few weeks going our way (which may well be due to a large part in fatigue of the pack with too many minutes being played) we could be 3rd.
This is in no way gives an excuse for the form we are (or rather aren't) showing but does illustrate the small margins between success and failure.
All I am saying is that there seems to be some panic from some when in reality it must be hoped (since I'm not "in the know" as some on here claim to be) that moves have been put in place to address some of the failings but will just take a little time to show through; and in a crazy parallel universe we could even be complaining about our form whilst sitting in a podium position.

It wouldn't prevent the rumours circulating, all that would happen is people would moan that the club aren't keeping them informed.

All McRae did was confirm what most already knew, apart from the few loons who still clung to the 'Manu staying' cobblers. As Bomber said: "a professional player would still give the best of his abilities for whoever was paying him". Whether their future status is public knowledge or not shouldn't even enter the equation

don`t know what the panic is.look at what is happening to leeds,and they are world champions.even bradford,they where once classed as one of the top 4.

I agree, dewsbury and hunslet used to be brilliant and aren't in the same division. We should all be content

My take on it is this. I wasn't at the game yesterday, however I have spoken to people who went and by the whole reaction on here its easy to say we simply threw another win away to a poor side. To look at us as the team who beat Leeds, then look at us now, ony half of our game is clicking together, in defence and attack. The last few games has shown we aren't a team who can finish teams off, or not yet at least, but also that Gebtle is also not the finished article as a coach. He is developing as a coach, and sometimes you need to fall down to know how to stay up and I am fully confident in him and the direction he is taking us.

Does this mean Jordan Turner is not a professional player?

The players obviously are not happy with Gentle or the new regime. Why else so many of these disinterested performances? why else players like Manu, Turner, Moa, O'Meley all wanting out?? something not right at all.

Manu - money
Turner - McRae
Moa - NRL
O'Meley - who cares

- Moa wants out because of the NRL
- O'Meley hasn't being offered a new contract, I get the impression he likes to be king pin or else he'll spit the dummy out.
- Turner wants out so he can go live closer to home, possible dislike of McRae but he's hardly proving to be a massive loss.
- Maybe Manu wants a new challenge? Maybe he'll still stay?

ATEOTD, Gentle has made such a big improvement to us and if the players don't want to be a part of that, they should F off.

Manu is not staying. Not staying. He's leaving. He won't be here next season. Gone.

Spot on for me.

I think some supporters are forgetting that Gentle has been lumbered with his current crop of players and because we had a good first half of the season expectation levels have now become unrealistic.

New owner, new coach, new Assistant coach, new director of rugby, new training ground, new physio, new conditioner, Same old $hit.

Quite frankly I doubt he is the coach to make us into a top side, I don't however believe he is the spawn of the devil and responsible for all the woes in the world which is what most of your fans would have had us believe.

I was just pointing out that for some reason, this year the players are taking some of the stick but previously they were untouchable and it was all (apparently) Agar's fault. Now Gentle is untoucahbale and it is all the players' fault. The truth as ever probably lies somewhere in between the two.

Quite right.... but...

Same players. Same attitudes. You can try and change them. But unfortunatley it doesn't always quite work. They need to wear the pride and passion that only certain individuals have.

When Gentle arrived he spent the whole of pre-season trying to teach the squad "How to want to win" (this is a fact) it seems he's struggling to drill it into them what winning is all about, and if this is the case. F**k em off!

Yesterday was completely unacceptable!

amazing isn't it, we got the "give Agar time" "it's not his team" garbage for FOUR seasons, Gentle gets 4 months!!

Gentle is a great coach, 10 of our current first team are worth keeping, the rest need to go and "find a new challenge"

Which 10, out of interest?

That many??

Isn't that basically what I said? Where's the myth?

If you've read what I posted as me implying something sinister is going on, you're as guilty of misinterpreting my post as what you're accusing people misinterpreting Peter Gentle's statement.

I'm pi$$ed off about recent weeks because of the progress I believe we had made prior to the last 10 minutes of the magic game. However, the underlying $hitness that runs through the team is still apparent and why after all the changes this $hitness in attitude and application is still rife those within the club who hold senior positions needs to identify and weed out sooner rather than later.

TBH, for once I think Standee has made a 'controversial' point with real substance and not for effect. Putting Crooks, Bowden and Kent to one side as fringe players still, the only players I'd definitely say are worth keeping are: Yeaman, Briscoe, Houghton, Lynch, Manu, Tickle, Whiting, and Moa. I'm still undecided to varying degrees and for varying reasons on Seymour, Westerman, Heremaia, O'Carroll, and Pitts. The rest can go for me.