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| Quote ="Kosh"If the board think that Sharp is the answer, we're [ireally[/i up sh[ii[/it creek.'"
Agar is here next year. Sharp should not be, he can then stand up fall flat on his face on his own if thats the crack. He should appoint his own asssistant and be done with it.
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| Quote ="hull smallears"Agar is here next year. Sharp should not be, he can then stand up fall flat on his face on his own if thats the crack. He should appoint his own asssistant and be done with it.'"
Absolutely.
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| Quote ="hull smallears"Agar is here next year. Sharp should not be, he can then stand up fall flat on his face on his own if thats the crack. :1bxy0stkHe should appoint his own asssistant and be done with it.[/
I thought Agar wanted/recommended Sharp
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| Quote ="Kosh"Absolutely.'"
Agree, but it wont happen.
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| Quote ="Standee"Never said that I AGREE, but that is the reason Sharp was brought in, to give Agar assistance/guidance.
Sharp ticked two boxes, he was available and cheap.'"
I'm not convinced he was brought in as insurance to remove Agar though. Personally I think he shouldn't really be here as it does undermine Agar's position with the players (even subconciously) and Agar needs to be able to show he is the boss. I'm hoping the new recruitment is showing all the players that nobodies position is secure and that they need to be professional and work hard to stay at this club rather than playing poorly and allowing the coach to take all the blame.
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| Quote ="Standee"Amazed how easily people are prepared to forget the abject farce of a coach that Agar is.
Have you all forgotten that we didn't use all of our subs against Leeds? or the many other cockups he has made.'"
Spot on. The signing of 2 ageing stars of the game and a kid who couldn't hold down a 1st team spot at leeds suddenly make agar some kind of coaching messiah to some. His greatest gift seems to be an uncanny ability to pull the wool over people's eyes
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Spot on. The signing of 2 ageing stars of the game and a kid who couldn't hold down a 1st team spot at leeds suddenly make agar some kind of coaching messiah to some. His greatest gift seems to be an uncanny ability to pull the wool over people's eyes'"
There are a fair fe who are happy in their state of delusion though Jake, and that has long been a problem with the FC Faithful, it's likethe mass "love in" for Kingy because he is a local lad, people don't see the fact that he's been taking the pi55 for years.
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| Quote ="Standee"There are a fair fe who are happy in their state of delusion though Jake, and that has long been a problem with the FC Faithful, it's likethe mass "love in" for Kingy because he is a local lad, people don't see the fact that he's been taking the pi55 for years.'"
Yeah but we have a grade a licence so nothing else matters
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| Here goes for an ear battering. Ha. Like I'm bothered.
I've said all along to the lads at work that i think Agar and Sharp will make a good partnership. (make any jokes you want as no doubt someone will)
I aren't saying that Agar was the correct choice at the time and i arent saying that i think he is or will be the greatest. I do however think that he will, given time, become a successful coach for the club and him and Sharp will work well together.
I've siad all along that when Agar took over that everything was and would be geared up for the 2010 season. With a view to further improvements for the 2011 season.
The direction in which the club has been travelling since imo Mcrae left has been in rapid reverse, each person since taking us furhter away from where we was reaching under Mcrae.
Mcrae spent a lot of time building us up from the ground upwards and imo achieved a great deal for us albeit no trophies but as we all know 2005 we won the challenge cup, a year in which i feel anyone could of coached us and we'd of won that due to the work Mcrae put in whilst here.
Under Mcrae we wwan't scared to throw the ball around and we posted a fair few points in doing so. He spotted the right kind of talent youthful and experianced, blended them well and it worked. The work put in since then has been imo dire a build up of which has led to our current sittuation.
Agar has took over a club that was in rapid free fall, anyone who took this club on would find themselves in the same predicament due to the the type of talent we have at the club ie jack of all trades masters of none and grafters as opposed to creators blended with creative work horses.
I can't see why a lot of people talk about Sharp been brought in to oust Agar. As i see it Sharp was brought in because Agar wanted him there, as he thought a guy with an international back ground and a guy who has an obvious liking and passion for the club would be a good addition.
I may be wrong but i'm sure Agar and Sharp are as good as best mates, brought up together playing in the streets as children and remainded close througout there life. Why would Sharp come to see his bessy mate sacked so he could take the helm. Sharp knows Agars family and so on. Imho he wouldn't take the job if Agar got sacked and he was offered the role, for the simple reason of how close there families are.
Get off Agars back and see what 2010 leading on 2011 brings, i haven't got a crystal ball but, i honestly think a lot of people will be eating their words and will be very surprised in the direction we start travelling in.
If I'm wrong then so be it i'll eat my words but, i for one don't really want to pass comment on anything other than the playing personnel until such time as we can 110% point any finger at Agar.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Wow not two semi finals, you are easily pleased!
During that time we have made the Grand final and the challenge cup final and still managed to sack a coach.
Noble has done an OK job at Wigan.'"
Quote ="RB"Relegation fodder in 2006'"
All that proves is that you have gone backwards whilst Noble has taken us forwards.
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| Quote ="Diesel24"Here goes for an ear battering. Ha. Like I'm bothered.
I've said all along to the lads at work that i think Agar and Sharp will make a good partnership. (make any jokes you want as no doubt someone will)
I aren't saying that Agar was the correct choice at the time and i arent saying that i think he is or will be the greatest. I do however think that he will, given time, become a successful coach for the club and him and Sharp will work well together.
I've siad all along that when Agar took over that everything was and would be geared up for the 2010 season. With a view to further improvements for the 2011 season.
The direction in which the club has been travelling since imo Mcrae left has been in rapid reverse, each person since taking us furhter away from where we was reaching under Mcrae.
Mcrae spent a lot of time building us up from the ground upwards and imo achieved a great deal for us albeit no trophies but as we all know 2005 we won the challenge cup, a year in which i feel anyone could of coached us and we'd of won that due to the work Mcrae put in whilst here.
Under Mcrae we wwan't scared to throw the ball around and we posted a fair few points in doing so. He spotted the right kind of talent youthful and experianced, blended them well and it worked. The work put in since then has been imo dire a build up of which has led to our current sittuation.
Agar has took over a club that was in rapid free fall, anyone who took this club on would find themselves in the same predicament due to the the type of talent we have at the club ie jack of all trades masters of none and grafters as opposed to creators blended with creative work horses.
I can't see why a lot of people talk about Sharp been brought in to oust Agar. As i see it Sharp was brought in because Agar wanted him there, as he thought a guy with an international back ground and a guy who has an obvious liking and passion for the club would be a good addition.
I may be wrong but i'm sure Agar and Sharp are as good as best mates, brought up together playing in the streets as children and remainded close througout there life. Why would Sharp come to see his bessy mate sacked so he could take the helm. Sharp knows Agars family and so on. Imho he wouldn't take the job if Agar got sacked and he was offered the role, for the simple reason of how close there families are.
Get off Agars back and see what 2010 leading on 2011 brings, i haven't got a crystal ball but, i honestly think a lot of people will be eating their words and will be very surprised in the direction we start travelling in.
If I'm wrong then so be it i'll eat my words but, i for one don't really want to pass comment on anything other than the playing personnel until such time as we can 110% point any finger at Agar.'"
What a crock.
Agar is clueless, simple fact.
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| Quote ="Diesel24"Here goes for an ear battering. Ha. Like I'm bothered.
I've said all along to the lads at work that i think Agar and Sharp will make a good partnership. (make any jokes you want as no doubt someone will)
I aren't saying that Agar was the correct choice at the time and i arent saying that i think he is or will be the greatest. I do however think that he will, given time, become a successful coach for the club and him and Sharp will work well together.
I've siad all along that when Agar took over that everything was and would be geared up for the 2010 season. With a view to further improvements for the 2011 season.
The direction in which the club has been travelling since imo Mcrae left has been in rapid reverse, each person since taking us furhter away from where we was reaching under Mcrae.
Mcrae spent a lot of time building us up from the ground upwards and imo achieved a great deal for us albeit no trophies but as we all know 2005 we won the challenge cup, a year in which i feel anyone could of coached us and we'd of won that due to the work Mcrae put in whilst here.
Under Mcrae we wwan't scared to throw the ball around and we posted a fair few points in doing so. He spotted the right kind of talent youthful and experianced, blended them well and it worked. The work put in since then has been imo dire a build up of which has led to our current sittuation.
Agar has took over a club that was in rapid free fall, anyone who took this club on would find themselves in the same predicament due to the the type of talent we have at the club ie jack of all trades masters of none and grafters as opposed to creators blended with creative work horses.
I can't see why a lot of people talk about Sharp been brought in to oust Agar. As i see it Sharp was brought in because Agar wanted him there, as he thought a guy with an international back ground and a guy who has an obvious liking and passion for the club would be a good addition.
I may be wrong but i'm sure Agar and Sharp are as good as best mates, brought up together playing in the streets as children and remainded close througout there life. Why would Sharp come to see his bessy mate sacked so he could take the helm. Sharp knows Agars family and so on. Imho he wouldn't take the job if Agar got sacked and he was offered the role, for the simple reason of how close there families are.
Get off Agars back and see what 2010 leading on 2011 brings, i haven't got a crystal ball but, i honestly think a lot of people will be eating their words and will be very surprised in the direction we start travelling in.
If I'm wrong then so be it i'll eat my words but, i for one don't really want to pass comment on anything other than the playing personnel until such time as we can 110% point any finger at Agar.'"
Seem to remember people posting similar in 2007 about sharp and we all know what happened there. A good coach will get the best out of teh players he has. agar's side is underperforming pretty much right across the team. Says everything about agar IMO
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| If agar were..... more consistent Thorman would be out in the cold. Disgusting man management in relation to the likes of
Craig Hall. Get someone in who recognises flair and pace like Millward.
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| Quote ="Diesel24"Here goes for an ear battering. Ha. Like I'm bothered.
I've said all along to the lads at work that i think Agar and Sharp will make a good partnership. (make any jokes you want as no doubt someone will)
I aren't saying that Agar was the correct choice at the time and i arent saying that i think he is or will be the greatest. I do however think that he will, given time, become a successful coach for the club and him and Sharp will work well together.
I've siad all along that when Agar took over that everything was and would be geared up for the 2010 season. With a view to further improvements for the 2011 season.
The direction in which the club has been travelling since imo Mcrae left has been in rapid reverse, each person since taking us furhter away from where we was reaching under Mcrae.
Mcrae spent a lot of time building us up from the ground upwards and imo achieved a great deal for us albeit no trophies but as we all know 2005 we won the challenge cup, a year in which i feel anyone could of coached us and we'd of won that due to the work Mcrae put in whilst here.
Under Mcrae we wwan't scared to throw the ball around and we posted a fair few points in doing so. He spotted the right kind of talent youthful and experianced, blended them well and it worked. The work put in since then has been imo dire a build up of which has led to our current sittuation.
Agar has took over a club that was in rapid free fall, anyone who took this club on would find themselves in the same predicament due to the the type of talent we have at the club ie jack of all trades masters of none and grafters as opposed to creators blended with creative work horses.
I can't see why a lot of people talk about Sharp been brought in to oust Agar. As i see it Sharp was brought in because Agar wanted him there, as he thought a guy with an international back ground and a guy who has an obvious liking and passion for the club would be a good addition.
I may be wrong but i'm sure Agar and Sharp are as good as best mates, brought up together playing in the streets as children and remainded close througout there life. Why would Sharp come to see his bessy mate sacked so he could take the helm. Sharp knows Agars family and so on. Imho he wouldn't take the job if Agar got sacked and he was offered the role, for the simple reason of how close there families are.
Get off Agars back and see what 2010 leading on 2011 brings, i haven't got a crystal ball but, i honestly think a lot of people will be eating their words and will be very surprised in the direction we start travelling in.
If I'm wrong then so be it i'll eat my words but, i for one don't really want to pass comment on anything other than the playing personnel until such time as we can 110% point any finger at Agar.'"
Some fair points there...time will tell
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| Quote ="Standee"[uWhat a crock.[/u
Of SH**e you really do talk at times.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Seem to remember people posting similar in 2007 about sharp and we all know what happened there. A good coach will get the best out of teh players he has. agar's side is underperforming pretty much right across the team. Says everything about agar IMO'"
Like i say i blame Agar next season if it continues, til then i'll blame the playing staff
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| Quote ="Diesel24"Like i say i blame Agar next season if it continues, til then i'll blame the playing staff'"
Me too.
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| Quote ="Diesel24"Like i say i blame Agar next season if it continues, til then i'll blame the playing staff'"
I thought so too. Then idiocy strikes tonight with subs. Utter moron. Get rid
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| Quote ="Diesel24"Like i say i blame Agar next season if it continues, til then i'll blame the playing staff'"
huddersfield and warrington are both sides who have improved significantly with better coaches but pretty much the same playing squad. The squad isn't great but is underperforming massively. It's agar and sharp's fault. A good coach can work with any group of players and raise their performance. Stop making excuses for him
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| Leave Agar to be judged next year after selecting his own team.
Sack Sharp as Director of Rugby (whatever he is) and replace him with Nobby.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"huddersfield and warrington are both sides who have improved significantly with better coaches but pretty much the same playing squad. The squad isn't great but is underperforming massively. It's agar and sharp's fault. A good coach can work with any group of players and raise their performance. Stop making excuses for him'"
Totally agree, the man is out of his depth
he could have greg Inglis,Billy Slater,Darren Lockyer and we still wouldn't win anything with him in charge
It's like having a rolls royce with a skoda engine
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| imo we need a proven coach, i know you cant go and buy experience as you have to gain it. But some ppl are just cut out for certain jobs and i think agar will always be good at been a no.2 and not head coach.
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| Quote ="Diesel24"Like i say i blame Agar next season if it continues, til then i'll blame the playing staff'"
So the playing staff are deciding the interchanges?
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| I know this has already been covered and i'm not alone in what i'm about to say. I have harped on about it now for a long while - the whole coaching set up at the club and the ethos around how we appraoch the game needs a huge shake up.
I, like many others, watched last nights game and while i was sat there i thought to myself on numerous occassions whoever we have in that side it wouldn't make much difference.....simply because the problem lies with the coaches, their tactics and appraoch to how the game should be played.
Any player can play to a game plan or set plays and structures, you don't have to be a world beater to fit in. Yes those players may not execute the game plan as effective as 'better skilled players' but as least they would have a go. And the game plan i'm talking about is fast play the balls (or faster than slow play the balls which is what we have now) dummy runners, variation in kicking game, running angles (like Tickle for his try - the one occassion), promoting the ball, pushing through gaps with players supporting the ball carrier and so on.
Saints, Leeds et al have been doing this for years....regardless of who comes in and out of the respective teams.....Time for Agar to go....but we all know that aint gunna happen - neither is us challenging for anything while he is at the helm!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Leave Agar to be judged next year after selecting his own team.
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We probably will. I dont buy the 'when he has his own players' arguement. He can still be getting more from the current players and should be. He can still play to a different gameplan than what he is. Im fed up of been 17 rounds or so into the season and we have shown no variation at all from 5 drives and a kick. What exactly do they work on in training?
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