Maybe we should have the stewards take these 'scroungers' to the plant room of the stadium and kept there for their crimes?

It's also not b0llox that the only noise comes from the North & South ends, as evidenced when the stand became a graveyard the year they made it fully reserved.

Somebody needs to take the shovel away from *1865* before that hole he's digging gets much deeper.

these 'scroungers' are ripping off your club remember! south stand seats 4000, east seats 6000, over half unreserved! that makes over 7000 unreserved seats! not hard to find the section they should be in is it? it says on their ticket! part blame also goes to stewards who dont do their job, was only a couple of seasons ago they asked to see your pass or tickets!

plenty of noise comes from the east reserved btw, i think your just annoyed and trying to make out it doesnt to back up your arguements!

This thread clearly has the potential to become very divisive.

As someone posted yesterday are we getting close to a situation where some people are being seen as "better" fans than others e.g.

Passholders are better fans than walk-up supporters
Reserved seat passholders are better fans than unreserved
East stand fans are better than South or West stand fans

Obviously its wrong to sit in someone's reserved seat and if they do the answer is simply to politely ask them to move. Do we need to say any more than that?

No it doesn't, but you carry on. There's even people I know who have reserved East stand seats and want it to become unreserved, one such guy has been mentioned in this thread already.

Been the way of some FC fans for years.

Why is Standee still banned?

sorry i find it hard to believe that you can judge the level of noise from the east stand reserved from the south stand














where we sit there is plenty of noise! but keep telling yourself there isnt!

if you had your way and moved all the reserved to the west stand you would be lucky to have 2000 fans in the whole east stand! wow that would be a great atmosphere!!

only one person pretentious in this thread, you!

Well it's quite easy, I can hear chav corner, but can never hear the middle section, given the middle section is closer to where I sit I reckon I should be able to hear you lot as well, shouldn't I? Btw, 10 people can sound loud if you're in the middle of it or sat right next to it.




Then why do I have conversations with people from that area who would prefer it to be unreserved as they seem to think it's like a morgue at times?



Yes, because absolutely everybody would move, wouldn't they? Plus more fans would be drawn to the area because of the increased atmosphere.

For the atmosphere I'm not just blaming the East stand, where I sit in the South is terrible too. The whole stadium is quiet a lot of the time, I'm simply suggesting a way to address the issue. As I said, plenty who are reserved ticket holders agree with me.

By making more areas unreserved you will be further restricting capacity. I dont think we should go down that road, do you?

Unless you really want the club not able to sell tickets and fill the stadium.....

To be fair it's been a while since he went off on one of his rants where he disagrees with everyone then disappears for a while

Genuine question.

Are areas being kept unreserved as a cost efficiency exercise? eg, not having to print tickets for every seat for every game when many will be unoccupied?.

Is this the case for the Derby game as well?

Any idea how much it would cost to have reserved seating for the full stadium?

We're never going to sell out 24k are we, so that's hardly a relevant argument.

Surely tickets are printed after purchase, not before.

Problem is, apart from two or three on here not many disagree with me regarding the East stand, that's the point.

The point that you seemed to have missed is that we have [iboth[/i reserved and unreserved. The club for some people, can't do wrong for doing right at trying to appease everyone. I could understand your argument if we had just one or another which inconvenienced the majority of fans, but we don't and I believe the majority are quite happy with the way things are.

What's that got to do with anything? My idea, which is something people agree with, even The Brother himself who you mentioned earlier, is for the East stand to become fully unreserved in an attempt to increase the atmosphere at home games. I understand this will inconvenience a few, but something has to be done, the atmosphere at games is terrible at times.

It has to do with alienating a few thousands fans just so you can create an atmosphere. I don't see what reserved/unreserved has to do with atmosphere?? You get groups of people who sit together in reserved and unreserved who generate songs/chants etc. I don't see whether these groups sit on the edges or in the middle has to do with anything??? And surely, once a song or chant gets going the whole stadium (or at very least the stand) joins in?

It wouldn't alienate a few thousand fans at all, as most would still sit there, at most it would inconvenience a few hundred.


Really? Just look at the atmosphere created at Hudds, 2-3,000 fans being allowed to sit exactly where they want helps create an atmosphere, something that having the reserved section in the middle of the East stand doesn't allow to happen.

Essentially what we've got now is 3 or 4 pockets of noise trying to create an atmosphere, it's clearly not working. Mostly, the only time the full stadium gets behind the team is if there's been a bad ref decision gone against us.

We had 23k for Rovers, it would have and could have been over 24k and the SL record, but some people were not happy about having to sit in a reserved seat for one game.

We can get 24k, so never say never....

Dont we have a "singing block" in the east this year? it was in the SP book

Seems to me to be a storm in a teacup in all honesty. No seating arrangements will 'manufacture' an atmosphere. If fans are excited about their team / the game, singing and chanting will create an atmosphere, if they are bored with the entertainment no shuffling of seats will create an atmosphere. Many fans on here have commented how the passion has diluted considerably since hull moved from the boulevard and football fans generally blame all seated stadiums for the lack of atmosphere, thus the attempt by some to have standing areas re-instated.
I reckon most fans (rugby or football) would agree that stadiums which have standing areas create the most noise.

They do, just no one can be bothered to enter into your irrelevant argument. The south stand and both ends of the east stand are unreserved and it makes no difference to the atmosphere where people sit. If the team is playing well the atmosphere will be fine

Behind the sticks? A bit like our unreserved south stand you mean? Maybe you could come up with an idea around that seeing as you're a genius and all that

I think we're beyond 'potential' now.


And on that eminently sensible point I think we'll close this thread and move on.