Someone called 'bumpy'

Do people actually believe briscoe went for less money than he was offered at hull ? And surely no one swallows the old we take less money to stay with Leeds than we could get somewhere else ? What a load of tripe

Also agree with Pearson in the side needs to have a nasty side to it .

Personally, as hard as it was to consider right away, I still felt we were making progress after the Huddersfield debacle. I think there was a massive overreaction to two very painful (non-)performances, and a fairly impulsive decision made which is now costing us. IMO Pearson was impatient and possibly had his anger stoked enough to let a few bad results/performances over three months overshadow the previous year and a half of progress. He should have held firm with Gentle for the start of the next season at least, if for nothing else than to show to players that the coach had a strong position to deal with them as he then did Radford.

Hmmm...

Must be born in Hull & probably a newly retired player- Yeamo?

So under Gentle it was the coach that was the problem (too soft and not capable of taking the players in hand, apparently), a new coach is given carte blanche to completely overhaul the squad as he sees fit and deal with the players with strength and discipline to get the best out of them, and now it's the players? But it's still Gentle and McRae's fault?

I must be missing something as to how this all hangs together and makes sense.

We were led to believe ellis came to us for less money than leeds offered,so why not.

None of it makes sense because nobody really knows what's been going on.

Rumours and gossip become facts and there are too many on here who love to stir it up even further.

You make a lot of very good points.

The highlighted bit in particular was part of what I was meaning a couple of posts ago.

I agree but IIRC there were rumours before we got to Wembley that Pearson planned to get rid of Gentle.

He must have know some details though, he'd be a fool not to. If I owned a business, I don't care who I chose to run it, be it my best mate, my wife, or the bloke who cleans my windows, I wouldn't be letting them hire people without knowing what salaries they're throwing around.

Gentle allegedly made poor signings. Radford got rid of them and supposedly improved the squad but is achieving less than Gentle did with his inferior players. How does that work?

I thought that when I read that post (or 3 of them are, at least. Watts could be better but we don't help him by not following up for the offload).

But tbf, those inconsistent points I made are pretty much things Pearson has said or intimated.

- When he sacked Gentle and appointed Radford he said that Gentle was soft and the players needed someone strong to bring about the correct reaction and improvements.
- He has also criticised Gentle/McRae's recruitment and lauded Radford's.
- 18 months on the squad has been changed to the new coach's liking, but we're actually worse.

Somehow though, this isn't the coach's fault; he's being let down by other people. This seems to suggest the players, which is very odd given he's assembled this squad, his recruitment has been much better than the last setup's, and he's a much better man-manager who can get the best out of players.

I'm honestly of the opinion that Pearson thinks most of us fans are stupid.

Pearson himself highlighted the run of 5 SL losses ending in July as the point where he made the decision, IIRC. He said that run and the manner of it were unacceptable. We haven't actually had 5 consecutive league losses since, but we have managed 4 twice and 6 without a win once as well.

The flip side of that is that under Gentle we also managed consecutive winning runs (league only) of 6, 4 (twice), and 3 (twice). We've done 2 once in the time since.

Exactly. Forget how much any individual was or wasn't overpaid, the squads cost the same in total and Gentle's did better. So either it was a better squad and there isn't this huge disparity in recruitment quality we're being told, or Gentle was an absolute übercoach who delivered miracles with a squad of no-marks. Which is it, and in which case does it make sense to get rid of the one who could deliver 6th yet stand by the guy flailing at the bottom?

I wouldn't disagree but there's no point in sacking a coach and appointing a worse one.

I've also been told paea is gone next season

Is he? I know there were rumours that the [ioffer[/i from Leeds was lower than the [ioffer[/i from us but never saw or heard confirmation of this.


What was that you were saying earlier about arrogance?


Can't argue with that.


Actually he's been almost exactly the same player he was for most of his time at KR. Occasional great games but largely average.


If you think it's tough signing decent players on 'average' wages now, wait until you try enforcing that rule.


Again, difficult to argue with most of that.

That's the worry - he's done it before.
If & when the season becomes unsalvageable we could well see another knee jerk reaction, & end up with
someone like Mc Banana or (heaven forbid) Judas.
Pearson needs to stop playing the blame game, - `Gentle made me sell Lynch to buy Miller'. What did he use, Thumb screws, The rack?

Radford saying he can handle the pressure to the HDM [urlhttp://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-s-Lee-Radford-fans-unhappy-ll-handle/story-26255198-detail/story.html[/url

Not too bad of an interview until he starts talking top 4 again, we just never learn

Just a wild theory...

Maybe Pearson thought, by signing Pryce, he wouldnt need to
sign an attack coach, ie combine both duties..and maybe Pryce doesnt want to
coach..

I actually think there's something in that. Not that Pryce is seen as an attack coach, but that since Agar (and to a lesser extent Sharp), I think we've got into a bit of a mentality that the halves take care of everything offensively. It's why we keep hearing that our halves are our problem and will pretty much solve everything, and contributes to why we are so up and down during halfback injuries. IMO we're trying to get our halves to do part of the coach's job for him when we should be much better drilled at the basics regardless of who is feeding the scrum.

Top post. Agree with pretty much all of that.

According to AP, we were pursuing Monaghan or Cooke as attack coach,
then it failed to materialise, maybe he thought signing Pryce would end the need for an attack coach.

Same thing happened when Hay departed, Hay was never replaced, Radford absorbed Hay's duties.,Was this the same time when our performances began to dip?

Another good post I agree with.