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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"when i was first told,i thought it was to go back to saints,but apparently,that isn't the case,as he will just pack up now!!he has said he thought he would have more input regarding coaching,as most of us were under the impression,this was meant to happen,but obv not.Don't know anything about him falling out with webster,and my saints friend,said he has never mentioned james,so admit in that respect i know nothing,but i believe my friend saying what she did.Gary Wheeler is on a booze warning there too(tanseyesque!!!!)'"
Are we going to have a Long-is-leaving rumour every week?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Are we going to have a Long-is-leaving rumour every week?'"
It looks that way.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"[uAre we going to have a Long-is-leaving rumour every week?[/u'"
people can say what they like,but my friend told me what she knew!! and her brother use to drink with him and scully on a sunday night in st helens,and she is an honest lass so i believe what her brother has told her.
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"people can say what they like,but my friend told me what she knew!! and her brother use to drink with him and scully on a sunday night in st helens,and she is an honest lass so i believe what her brother has told her.'"
You think he'd walk out on a well paid job? To do what?
I'm not having a go but this just sounds like the usual bollox we get when we have a bad run of results. It's only a week since Long was alleged to have chucked it at half time and lo and behold he's in the squad for tomorrow.
If he is so ed off why is he playing tomorrow?
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I disagree, I think he's been judged on the last 10 years. Many Hull fans seem to be stuck in 2006, and think we should still be contesting finals, in reality we are not a top class side anymore, we are a side in a building phase. Agar took over the job when the side was a total mess and as far as I can see he has made steady progress whilst he's been charge. Nobody can deny that last year was a leap forward regardless of how we finished and he hasn't been given a chance yet as far as this season goes.
Fitzgibbon isn't thick, he's played for the top coaches in the best teams in the world and knows what makes a good and bad coach, he also doesn't strike me as being a liar so when he says Agar is respected and he believes in his methods I have no reason to doubt him. Let's see how we're doing at Easter and decide then whether or not he can take us any further.'"
Good post, god forbid that a coach should be judged against the standards set by the 3 coaches that preceded him
Jimmy Rule will be glad to know the spin is still working in some small quarters.
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| Thanks for all the kind words in this thread, I'm not used to so many people agreeing with me
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| Quote ="R.B.A"As team captain and a legend of the sport Fitzgibbons words carry weight and i expect a big response tomorrow from his team mates and the fans who travel.
I dont think for one minute that he is happy with some things currently going on at Hull but its his job to issue rallying cries, not to be defeatest.
For instance after the bad publicity about going straight home after Cardiff with no re-hab session and only grabbing a take-away on the way back do you think that Fitzgibbon was happy with Long writing in his HDM collumn that he was racing straight from Huddersfield to Wigan for the WCC? Unlikely, and i bet he ripped a strip off him when he read it.
Surprised its not been mentioned on here because its another small way that the players are making Agars job harder than it needs be. When you put things like that alongside Tanseys idiocy then its easy to start to have some sympathy for Agar.'"
Is it true that the club left straight after the game in cardiff with no rehab session, no meal and a stop on the way back for some fast food?
If it is then the unprofessionalism at the club is endemic and runs from top down. Smacks of penny pinching to me and no wonder we're poor on the pitch if it really is the case
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Is it true that the club left straight after the game in cardiff with no rehab session, no meal and a stop on the way back for some fast food?
If it is then the unprofessionalism at the club is endemic and runs from top down. Smacks of penny pinching to me and no wonder we're poor on the pitch if it really is the case'"
Yes it is. They did the same after Murrayfield last season aswell despite having a hotel booked. Hence some of the players texting "Agar out" on their way home. Some things dont seem to change.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"You think he'd walk out on a well paid job? To do what?
I'm not having a go but this just sounds like the usual bollox we get when we have a bad run of results. It's only a week since Long was alleged to have chucked it at half time and lo and behold he's in the squad for tomorrow.
If he is so vexed off why is he playing tomorrow?
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don't shoot the messenger time will tell i suppose?
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"don't shoot the messenger
time will tell i suppose?'"
Yes, time will tell that it's bull.
Long: "Jimmy, I've had enough, I was promised a coaching input and I've not had one. I'm leaving. Next week. I'm available for Sunday, though, OK?"
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Yes, time will tell that it's bull.
Long: "Jimmy, I've had enough, I was promised a coaching input and I've not had one. I'm leaving. Next week. I'm available for Sunday, though, OK?"'"
are you arrogant with every fecker!!! 99% of rumours on here are bull,but hey,you contribute to plenty
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"are you arrogant with every fecker!!!
99% of rumours on here are bull,but hey,you contribute to plenty'"
I'm not being arrogant but if you are going to post a rumour be prepared to have it questioned. Feel free to quote me on any rumour I've posted.
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| So the spin begins..................
I thought they may leave it alone for a while or even not bother, but they seem to want to engage the fans now. They brought the big guns out early as well must really have the wind up now.
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| Fitz also said according to the HDM that he will continue to make as many tackles as he's currently making until the team start performing , that he's going to carry on playing 13 regardless because that's his game and he's not a prop. Now is that him telling Agar or the coach making the decision? "Erm , Fitzy , would you mind if us played Westy at loose this week cos we've just spent shed loads of money on a ball playing 13 and..." "Feck off said Fitzy , I'm only 28 and still the fittest player in the World , I'll do what I want". Agar , " Yeah good call , I was thinking the same thing".
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| Quote ="ChrisH"Fitz also said according to the HDM that he will continue to make as many tackles as he's currently making until the team start performing , that he's going to carry on playing 13 regardless because that's his game and he's not a prop. Now is that him telling Agar or the coach making the decision? "Erm , Fitzy , would you mind if us played Westy at loose this week cos we've just spent shed loads of money on a ball playing 13 and..." "Feck off said Fitzy , I'm only 28 and still the fittest player in the World , I'll do what I want". Agar , " Yeah good call , I was thinking the same thing".
Mmm we'll se what happens tomorrow then.'"
I thought exactly that when i read it. Sign a creative 13 but Fitz wants to stay there. Wonder how much player power really does exist.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I disagree, I think he's been judged on the last 10 years. Many Hull fans seem to be stuck in 2006, and think we should still be contesting finals, in reality we are not a top class side anymore, we are a side in a building phase. Agar took over the job when the side was a total mess and as far as I can see he has made steady progress whilst he's been charge. Nobody can deny that last year was a leap forward regardless of how we finished and he hasn't been given a chance yet as far as this season goes.'"
What I expect us to be able to do, building phase or otherwise, is run hard, tackle well, support the ball carrier, and use dummy runners. We do none of these things. We haven't for the entirety of Agar's tenure.
He may well have inherited a mess but he has not improved the key deficiencies that everyone can see and he himself identifies after games. This despite having a significantly better squad.
I gave him credit for finishing 6th last season. It was a big improvement, largely down to some good recruitment. However, we ended the season with some glaring problems that simply have not been addressed during the closed season.
Enough is enough.
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| Best not mention how highly O'Meley rates Agar compared to his previous coaches then!
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Best not mention how highly O'Meley rates Agar compared to his previous coaches then!
I was surprised.'"
Professional sportsman asked how he rates his coach, professional sportsman replies that he rates him highly... quelle surprise!
I'm surprised that in this era of spin, PR and media training anyone puts much value on anything a player says.
Any player's supposed high opinion of Agar might hold a bit more credence if it was translating into results on the pitch.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"I thought exactly that when i read it. Sign a creative 13 but Fitz wants to stay there. [uWonder how much player power really does exist[/u.'"
Depends on your Nationality
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| I'm not sure Fitz would speak out as he was told too so if he believe's in Agar then fair enough.
The thing is we need more than words now.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I'm not sure Fitz would speak out as he was told too so if he believe's in Agar then fair enough.
The thing is we need more than words now.'"
If a reporter sticks a microphone under the club captains mouth and asks him what he thinks of the speculation regarding the coach then he's only going to say one thing
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| maybe fitz should take over from agar......just a thought
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| I hope Fitz has the same influence as Kearney did...
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