Good job I didn't suggest any then.

If you want, Or there is Sully, Nocker, Sir John, Sterlo et al



or a round of Hepi, Hepi, Hepi

Within certain constraints I agree. They know as well as we do that a proven top class coach would give us a better chance of being successful. They also know that this would cost more money. ATM they are more than happy to risk the cheaper option paying off

absolutely spot on Paul, well said

I just think they believe in him and his vision, players who he recruited also said that. It's not happening and it does not look like happening and I would like him gone but the board are probably trying to be patient and giving him the time to get it right.

I think they would have reacted quicker had promotion and relegation still been around but they can afford to be a bit more patient.

That said the timing of his new deal was baffling!

The problem with that staement is that in truth RA is actually a very good BRITISH coach that has been very unlucky with injuries.. why cant everyone see that !
The board at Fc dont travel around the world courting Mason, Fitzgibbon, Crocker, Long etc and one or two others we were very close to signing because they take the cheap options, they do it because they want the club to be strong and RA will prove a lot wrong...
Yes its his team however half of them are injured ...simple math

That is what has tipped me over the edge. I just dont see where this belief in Agar has come from in order to give him the extension. What are they basing it all on? He must talk a bloody good game.

I just think they believe in him and his vision, players who he recruited also said that. It's not happening and it does not look like happening and I would like him gone but the board are probably trying to be patient and giving him the time to get it right.
=#FF0000That I believe is exactly the case, as it is a new game these days where relagation is a thing of the past then it no longer has to be a coaches sackathon mid season in SL,

I think they would have reacted quicker had promotion and relegation still been around but they can afford to be a bit more patient.

=#FF0000As I said above...

That said the timing of his new deal was baffling
Cant disagree there though, I believe it was in fear of the rumoured shuffle of coaches pending in SL

I'd love to know how you have come to this conclusion? What is it based on?

The injuries excuse is getting really old really fast. We have lost plenty of games with near enough a full strength squad to choose from and certainly no worse than the oppsotion we were playing.

He's a dab hand with a flip chart and Powerpoint.

would love to know who expro actually is???he/she is certainly a determined person.

I dunno. Could it be that there is zero evidence of it?

We've had some bad luck with injuries, but the team has consistently failed to perform to the required standard given the players available. Injuries are no excuse for not being able to tackle, pass, kick, or chase with enthusiasm. They are no excuse for a lack of defensive organisation or determination. They are no excuse for dropped ball and stupid penalties. There is no evidence whatsoever of Agar having anything approaching even moderate ability when it comes to tactics, basic skills training, motivation, and use of the bench.

In short, we are performing well short of where we should be even taking injuries into account.

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Again that is clearly a fans comment...
So please clear this up for me, are you saying then that we have a god given right to beat Salford, Crusaders etc , that being the case here is an easy answer....
Lets turn SL into a fantasy season and we can work out who beats who and then the Grand final teams all on day one based on which players the clubs purchase !!
saves a lot of injuries and we can play the whole season in one day !!
we just dont have a right to beat them teams im afraid, they are pros too remember and for argument sake at Wrexham, we didnt play badly we were just beaten by the better side on the day simple as that 13 vs 13

This is as I keep saying Rugby league not jeremy kyle, people get injured, small clubs beat big clubs and fans moan .. thats why we love it

Maybe they read some of the posts on here from "fans"

Considering the difference in money being spent on players yes we should be beating those teams. We have lost to 3 of the bottom 4 teams this season and in all likelihood it will be all 4 of the bottom teams after the weekend. We have everything in place here to be a top 4 club as a minimum. The one area we are coming up short on is the coaching. In a sport where, in theory at least, all clubs should be spending the same amount on players the real emphasis should be on getting the right person in charge of those players. Look at the influence the man in charge has had at clubs like Hudds, Wire, Wigan and you can even include Leeds into that list.

Funny you should say that, maybe you saw him in Weir bar too with Deano

you forgot brown too

I know. I'm sure it'll come out soon enough

oooops!

You're right, we don't have a god given right to beat anyone. You earn the right with skills, effort and enthusiasm. Unfortunately I've yet to see an agar coached side which can demonstrate all 3

Ahh

please EXPRO explain to me how injuries effect the ability of the team to follow a tactical game plan, tackle, find space on kicks, keep on-field discipline and give 100 % effort in each and every game. Not one team in superleague has the right to win what they perceive to be easy games. But and it’s a big but I'm strongly of the belief that a team needs motivating the most in games that are seen to be easy. Do you think it’s a difficult team talk to give before a Good Friday Derby game? How about an away game at Salford who are struggling in the league and have sold their star asset in the close season. It is the great managers and motivators that recognise this and shows a lack of respect for management and ill discipline if you’re too slack as a player to put the effort in in easy games.

The attitude of great teams and as a great player should be about putting poor teams to the sword, like Leeds and Saints do. When was the last time you could say FC were ruthless and put a lot of points on teams? They haven’t even managed it in pre-season friendlies or cup games. WHY?

must have missed the game they played in 97

What have injuries got to do with the lack performance by those who are on the field, and the missing game plan.

Not getting the two points can be forgivable due to injuries, but pathetic performances by those who do take the field are not. We do have the odd players that play well, but we very rarely get a good team performance

You have been asked a number of times by members on this forum, but you seem to avoid answering.

Who (in your opinion) are the players that have improved under Agar?

I can only think of Moa, but the rest seem to have at best 'stagnated' or gone 'backward'

Then can we throw a goat from a block of flats too ?



In reality.....what we need to do is SUPPORT OUR TEAM.......IN ANY KIND OF WEATHER. All this doom and gloom is getting a bit pathetic. Youre all gonna look a bit petulant if the lads that are out come back with a vengence and we have a fantastic run in (like Wigan seemed to have done the last few years).

We are an injury riddled team.....How hard is that to get into peoples heads. Most of Agars 'prefared players' are out with I.N.J.U.R.I.E.S.....Meaning..... (now read this carefully and please try to take it in!!!!!).....We are playing our substitutes and learners. The 1st teamers that are left fit have done what they can under the circumstances but our goal kickers are out, our first choice hooker is out, our world class scrumhalf is out and now two thirds of the Tongan Mafia is sidelined. Basically all you whingers KNOW F**KALL about RL if you think Hull FC can compete as normal and with the other SL teams with the lads we have left. Just ask a Rhino's fan how they felt when their playmakers were injured. Its frustrating I admit.....BUT.....WE ARE HULL FC......Stop acting like a spoint red and white eh????



DEMONSTRATION SCARFS MY ARSE........WHAT ARE YOU ON????

All valid points. However when Leeds had injuries were they still in games until the end, did they miss as many tackles as FC, did they have a game plan that the players carried out that allowed them to compete. Yes they may not have been that creative but you can bet your life that the fans always thought there was a chance of winning the game with 15 minutes left, I don't feel like that watching FC.

I also think Leeds is a bit of a different beast as they structure their pre-season to have a genuine crack at the World club challenge, which often results in a lull in performances after the game.