as someone said earlier...if people are forced by the jobcentre you cant do everything for them...even though we at a4e try. I have been told by a client that they will not work have no intention of doing anything at all and are at a4e "under duress"...this person had not worked in 30 years or more and obviously didnt want to work. I personally have never been out of work since i was 19 and never will. there are jobs like greencore which i have done and would do again should the need arise just to remain employed. i worked in zone 3 of greencore for the agency for minimum wage just to make sure i was working!!! so for those who say they cant get work...its what you are willing to do at the end of the day

Stop his dole money/benefits then. See how he manages.

my thoughts exactly. the job i'm in at the moment is ok i guess, not my dream job and we get grief off the customers but at the end of the day it pays my bills and if i ever became unemployed i would work in maccy d's, retirement homes, factories...anything to get some money and pay my way!!!

That is the problem, some people actually get more when claiming benefits, so why would they stand all day on a production line to be worse off ?

We have a winner! As I said earlier on the thread some layabout last week openly said its to easy to claim money I get 300 a week & I could not get a job that pays that much! The whole system is crazy!

Yup, thanks almost entirely to the socialist government we've had for the past 12 years. The welfare state is now totally out of control.

Guess those big bad Tories will have to put it right.

i thinks its disgusting how much unemployed people get...imo the unemployed should do community service till they find work...at least then they would "earn" their dole. if i were unemployed i would do it at least i would have some pride and honour. i put this to the clients and 100% said they would refuse point blank. As for the fella i mentioned who has not worked for 30 years....i have dismissed him lol

There is now way a conservative government would let the welfare state get as big as it is now. Besides the minumum wage was supposed to combat the benefit culture, but all its done is increase marginal wages and employer costs and at the same time the benefit culture.

The party who cuts these payments to the layabouts will get my vote.



BTW think i'd sooner have Castro than Cyclops Brooown.

This was on the news this morning:
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6088261/Two-million-people-have-never-worked-Tories-reveal.htmlTwo million people have never worked[/url

A bollox claim and a bollox article to go with it.

Tory propoganda



They do fail to point out that most of them are what the last tory administration did by forcing people off unemployment onto long term sick, incapacity benefit.

This Government

has stopped long term incapacity benefit to new claimants and is about to tackle the old claimants.

Its just differing ways each of the two tory parties we have in power at different times of presenting the figures to us.

2 million have never worked?...the thing is when i was unemployed when i was 18 i had to prove each week what i had done to find work and they would check. they even put me on bridging allowance as i could not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt one time and that was 15 quid a fortnight!!!

i swore then and there i will never sign on again in my life no matter what.

i dont see how they get a 2 million figure though...are they including children lol

It's just a headline, no coroboration of the facts in the article.

Of course it takes 12 years to get round to it.

Standard Labour Supporter Rulese 101

a)If anything POSITIVE has happened then it was all down to New Labour and the huge strides they have made since ousting the Tories.

b)If anything NEGATIVE has happened then it is all down to the old Tory Government (extra points for blaming Thatcher) and New Labour have been fighting against opposition to changing things.

If a or b cannot be applied, the problem is probably foreign in it's origin,

Don't you ever associate me with this new Labour party I am a socialist FFS .......................Keir Hardy will be turning in his grave

Yes, you created the Welfare State, thanks for that (not)

Oddly enough, the same rule applies to Tory supporters only in reverse. Who'd a thunk it?

The alternative being... what? The American system?

The truth is they are all self-serving cretins!

Not all, but the vast majority certainly.

Greencore dont make me laugh. I was at a4e a few months ago got forsed into a job at green core. dont get me wrong I am glad of a job but if I had known how bad greencore is I would have flat out refused. The staff are extreamly abusiv and managment dont want to know. and let me state I advise anbody not to eat products from greancore as hygiene is a joke along with h+s.

I agree that benifits should pay out less than minimum wage however I was on better money in the dole queue.

as for a4e I will give them credit they got me a job even though i was forsed into it after about 3 days of been there but the place is a joke, you are given activities to go count the steps on a building, some groups get taken to laser quest, just how does going to laser quest find you a job? also the techer if you want to call them that couldnt be ar$ed and repetedly told people to go away for a few hours and have a few joints. how is telling people to go do drugs helpful.

one of the main reasons for places like A4E as i can see it is to get people of the unemployment figures. as when you are at A4E even though you are still collecting your dole you arnt classed as unemployed.

I was (suprise suprise ) not around at the creation of the welfare state, it is however a major step forward in creating a country fit for the returning heroes of WW2.

Anyone who thinks we can return to the dark days of before the welfare state are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I dont think we can, but it needs seriously re-organising.