Exactly. He's been thrown in the deep end with a team who are inept in attack. He has obvious talent.

I sense another weird scapegoat, a la Westerman.

It's all well and good saying that but point us in the direction of realistic alternatives. Miller needs time and patience from the fans. We do not want another Seymour incident on our hands.

I'd say Jamie Carragher's made a good start to life as a pundit too and a lot are tipping him to be a manager one day. He lives and breathes football.

Horne will no doubt get the blame by some of the usual haters.

Millers tried his best and doesn't stop. He's not helped by an ineffectual pack who can't find the floor and get a quick PTB. Watch the other teams and compare with ours. It Holdsworth who needs replacing, not Miller. The kid clearly has talent. Holdsworth shows up in 3 or 4 games.

We need a "Dobson" to take us around the park, and that ain't Holdsworth.

I agree totally how can you expect any Halfback to play on the back of a losing pack ???
We have not been agressive enough for years now

that is why we have brought in Paea ( and the project that is FEKA)
give the kid a chance after a full pre season
Looks a decent prospect to me and given a bit of confidence could turn out to be our Dobbo

Jacob will be a good player the lad is settling in, Holdsworth is the biggest let down IMO he has no heart and is very incosistent.

I thnk he has heart.
Just don't think he's as good as was sold, or hoped, or believed he would be.

Miller is the way forward.
He needs looking after.

So Miller can't be expected to play well behind a beaten pack, but Holdsworth can?

Probably why neither have set the world on fire.
Holdsworth is just bang average other than his boot (important factor I concede). We need a superior 6.
Miller has the potential to lead a team around the park in the future if he gets the breaks imo.

As second receiver he gets more time with the ball, Miller's under pressure straight away.

Well that would depend on the speed of pass to the second receiver and upon Miller always being first receiver and Holdsworth always being second. To lay all the blame at Holdsworth's door when they're both playing in similar positions ands in equally difficult circumstances seems to be a little like, er, what's that popular word on here? Oh, yeah, scapegoating.

If Radford can address our woeful play the ball speed in the off season, both players should be given a fair chance to show what they can do behind a pack that isn't everyone's bitch.

Exactly my thinking on our 2 overseas halfbacks ATM. Only one looks to be at least attempting to stand up and be counted, Holdsworth seems more willing to go into hiding when it's tough going.

I've noticed that will all teams but Wigan. Wigan always have there first man as O'Loughlin, Then the playmakers.

In a nutshell. Our no. 1 problem for the last 5 years or so. Sort it and add runners and our attack will transform.

I agree. Miller seems to try things even if they don't come off for him. That to me still makes him promising and full of potential.

DJ's had some good games for us too but they seem to be few and far between in my eyes. I'm hoping he can improve too but personally think we are more likely to see improvement from Miller.

Is it possible DJ's still suffering a bit from that head injury do you think?

Well not just the speed but the quality of the pass and also what options they have to put doubt into the defenders minds.

Holdsworths "demise" came after his head injury, seems to be forgotten.

I don't think it's so much that as that Miller at least tries different things & looks dangerous at times, whereas Holdsworth seems happy to just meander through games with about 4 plays: inside ball, next man along the line, look for McDonnell, or kick. They're all pretty basic, too.

I'm amazed that some on here are comparing a 21 year old kid with a handful of super league games under his belt to a seasoned pro who is quite prepared to go missing in games.

Its's gonna be interesting because he was firmly PG's man and he appeared to have a lot of faith in him.
Hopefully he has it in him to lift it to another level next season now he's bedded in.
I have lingering doubts mind.

I think Holdworth just has a different style of play. Miller always looks 'busier', like Burrow for Leeds. Holdsworth's style is more like Sinfield's. Not saying either are anywhere near as good, by the way, just using them to illustrate a point. So if we have a crap ptb speed and no runners for halfbacks to pick out, it will look like Miller's trying more because of his style of play, whereas Holdworth just does the same things because they're the options he has available. I think they could be good together if we sort out the other facets of our play that are letting us/them down.

That's not true. IIRC, he came back at the start of May, and he was very good by mid-May against Wire, Rovers, and Leeds, then again in July in the 2 cup games. It was mainly August he seemed to disappear, although he was half decent at Craven Park.

The difference was a fair bit the pack restricting him, but my issue is just how meekly he responds to that. He's supposed to be the senior playmaker at the club, and I'd just expect a half approaching 30 to take a bit more charge tbh. If he's not going to run with the ball and take the line on, and doesn't seem keen to take charge, what exactly does he see his role as, a specialist kicker?

Milky seems to have the one ingredient that many of the others seem to be lacking.

Its called ENTHUSIASM!!

I do still think they could be better together, but I think the Sinfield comparison is way off. Sinfield has way more to his game and invariably picks the right option after assessing what's possible. Half the time Holdsworth looks to me like he's decided his play before he gets the ball (shuffling the ball along the line), and other times seems to just get desperate as he's closed down (kicking through aimlessly on the 3rd or 4th tackle). I think I've said it before, but sometimes his play epitomises the problems in our attack, alternating between aimless, predictable, and panic-ridden.

As I tried to make clear, I wasn't comparing him to Sinfield in terms of ability. What I meant was that there's less drama to what Sinfield does, whereas Burrow always looks a bit more 'high energy'. I reckon Holdworth picks the wrong option a lot of the time because his options are invariably so limited. With quicker ball and more players in motion, I think he could do well. He's had too many decent games for him to be a poor player, but I think he's one of those players who needs better players around him to produce his best.



All of which could be overcome if he gets better quality ball and has more options when he receives it. In my opinion.