Within 10 minutes yesterday it was obvious which team wanted it more. Salford were winning the collision in every single tackle in both defence and attack. Thats not a question of ability, its about attitude and ours is lacking. The players need to realise this is their career and they are taking the pi$$ out of the fans everytime they dont give 100% on the pitch.

Summed up perfectly.

Cant believe people accept dross

Spot on.

That is why IMHO, I would play the same 17.
I would let them know it is their reputation on the line. It is they who should be embarrassed with their performances, not the fans and not the club.

The players should not run the club. If they are giving a 100% and loosing, then it is the club and coach at fault.

With the right attitude and approach, that's a winning team.

Put Whiting in as G.Horne is a turnstyle at the moment ,Whiting will shore it up and may actually get a pass to Calderwood.

With the right attitude and approach, so was yesterday's.

And therein lies the problem.

Said exactly the same. You could tell the way the game was going very early on, I think they thought it would be a walk in the park and at any stage they could pull it back.

Every player had a off day so I'm not just having a go at a couple but Moa wouldn't be anywhere near my team. He was 3rd man in on every tackle and is extremley lazy imo. I also want our coach to have a word with Thorman and quickly because he chooses to kick the ball rather than go through hands to many time for me. The last play when he kicked it on the 2nd with four tackles remaining said it all for me.

he was poor yesterday especially when it came to decision making.

I was livid when he did that. It's the mark of a player with no confidence in his ball handling skills and exactly the sort of thing TL was getting criticised for. On top of that it was a crap kick and we were lucky to get a repeat set out of it. Didn't he do a similar kick in the first half when nobody was expecting him to kick? How are the backs supposed to run from deep when they have no idea if the ball is going to go through hands or not?

I disagree there, I felt that Moa going in to help his teammates in a tackle showed he was making an effort, rather than just stand back and watching.

I agree with what people say about his lack of fitness and lack of game time messing up the interchanges, but i do honestly think he is trying.

Hall
Calderwood
G.horne
Yeaman
Briscoe
R.horne
Thorman
Dowes
Berrigan
King
Radford
Tickle
Washbrook

Thackray
Houghton
Cusack
Manu

Yup, the last 3 games could all have been different but imo the Cas and Salford games were down to the player and players only.

I disagree as Salfords pack is a good unit in defence IMO and their main weakness is their flanks however we played the type of game Salford would have wanted and i think the blame in that regard rests on Agars shoulders.

When Thorman signed I thought ok, although he's NOT a SH he does have a reasonably good kicking game and he'll do a job for us.
He had very good kicking game at Headingly but has steadily declined in all aspects of his game into mediocrity now.
I feel he thinks he's in the comfort zone on selection, TL is proving a lot of his doubters wrong as back row interchange, but he will lose his spot once Lauaki gets here (and he will), unfortunately TL wasn't the answer last season at 7.
Whats wrong with Houghton, is he injured? if push came to shove would it be unrealistic to give him a go at 7? afterall he did sign as a 7 from East Hull and didn't he get honours in that position, he has a good kick on him, is sound in defence, good hands and knows the job.

Maybe so but the players still showed a lack of effort and enthusiasm, a bit more in both departments would have won us the game.

Would play Tommy Lee at 7 before Houghton.

I disagree. They've conceeded more than double the points we have and are conceeding an average of 38 points a game. They are by far the worst defensive team in the league. Even with a poor game plan etc we should have scored more points than that and they only score an average of 15 points a game so our defence should have been much better as well.

You're kidding right?????

Yes please Mr Agar/Sharp!

So would I.

You are possibly/probably right, I was thinking more of a shake up than anything permenant (but not this weekend), looking at it as another option seeing as TL failed at 7 last season, that could have been down to having Washy at 6 most of the time a stranger to that position.

Look at how the game is moving on, Saints have played Roby at SH, and look at Wilkin at 6 yesterday, he also played at 6 in his youth, Gilmour at centre. Moves like that are how the game is evolving rather than those 3 mentioned being 'utility' they are taking it to the next level IMO.

Not in the slightest

Or is Agars game plan to lull Rovers into thinking that they are crap by losing a couple of games and then spring the trap on Friday??


no were just shart!!

King has been less than average ..
Berrigan was awful too which surprised me...

Thorman looked clueless

Horne was runnig backwards and forwards with no one offering themselves as a runner.

I think there is bigger issues than we know at present

I'd play Moa at 7 before Tommy Lee.