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| Quote ="mwindass"The sooner this clown is gone the better. Wreck it Ralph...'"
Love the last paragraph, “said nowt, done nowt, earned a fortune “
I’ve got a funny feeling the clubs will vote as they always do, protect themselves and go with the status quo, not “Sweet Caroline” but just stay the same.
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| After been quite strongly against licensing in the past, I’m accepting in the fact that the sport realistically needs it to develop teams lower down the pecking order. I think the initial IMG proposals are positive and for the good of the game, it’s a fine balance between putting pressure on sides to improve their faculties whilst also giving them a realistic time frame
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I expect there will be a few voices having a go in the period before the Clubs meet to hear the detail and vote on thee proposals, for one of our main issues as a game is the parochial nature of it. However, when you consider this initiative was instigated by the Huddersfield Chairman and the Super League Clubs in collaboration with the rest of the sport through the RFL and that when you look at the IMG portfolio, their past experience, the length of their contract and indeed the breadth of the consultation we are using perhaps the biggest sports consultants and management company in the world, this is possibly the British games last chance. As Yorkshire sport said, "Over 3,000 employees. Promoting and delivering events in over 25 countries across the world. A portfolio of work that encompasses some of the biggest sporting events on the entire planet. In case you didn't know already, this isn't the Rugby Football League we are talking about: it is IMG. And if we don't listen to what someone has to tell us as a sport now, we may as well never bother".
They have already seen through the central management of the game and all this stuff about Rimmer 'deciding to step down' is rubbish, because he's simply been rumbled and it's more a case of the writing being on the wall. His latest of faux par is just the most recentin a catalogue of poor decisions poor calls and retrograde moves over the years that have seen the greatest game in the world in decline. This agencies experience in running some of the top Tennis, Golf and Basketball operations in the world and the length of the contract we have signed with them mens that they have to be listened to. because there is hope for every club at every level in their recommendations however as for badly run clubs playing in under standard stadia are concerned as the Yorkshire Post announced today ' the days of Clubs coasting in Super League are over'.
Distribution on a constant level is guaranteed right down the food chain of the three competitions and as the clubs throughout the game recognise now the need for change and are braced for it every club will now have to raise their standards. The vote should be a formality but I suspect it might not be.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/r ... er-3860394
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I expect there will be a few voices having a go in the period before the Clubs meet to hear the detail and vote on thee proposals, for one of our main issues as a game is the parochial nature of it. However, when you consider this initiative was instigated by the Huddersfield Chairman and the Super League Clubs in collaboration with the rest of the sport through the RFL and that when you look at the IMG portfolio, their past experience, the length of their contract and indeed the breadth of the consultation we are using perhaps the biggest sports consultants and management company in the world, this is possibly the British games last chance. As Yorkshire sport said, "Over 3,000 employees. Promoting and delivering events in over 25 countries across the world. A portfolio of work that encompasses some of the biggest sporting events on the entire planet. In case you didn't know already, this isn't the Rugby Football League we are talking about: it is IMG. And if we don't listen to what someone has to tell us as a sport now, we may as well never bother".
They have already seen through the central management of the game and all this stuff about Rimmer 'deciding to step down' is rubbish, because he's simply been rumbled and it's more a case of the writing being on the wall. His latest of faux par is just the most recentin a catalogue of poor decisions poor calls and retrograde moves over the years that have seen the greatest game in the world in decline. This agencies experience in running some of the top Tennis, Golf and Basketball operations in the world and the length of the contract we have signed with them mens that they have to be listened to. because there is hope for every club at every level in their recommendations however as for badly run clubs playing in under standard stadia are concerned as the Yorkshire Post announced today ' the days of Clubs coasting in Super League are over'.
Distribution on a constant level is guaranteed right down the food chain of the three competitions and as the clubs throughout the game recognise now the need for change and are braced for it every club will now have to raise their standards. The vote should be a formality but I suspect it might not be.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/r ... er-3860394
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| Rather than worrying about being category B, clubs should have a more positive attitude and look at what they can do to become category A. This has been the problem of the last 10-15 years, some clubs look at doing what they can to just stay in super league, rather than looking to catch up with Wigan, saints etc. If licensing critceira had been strictly applied the last time we did it, cas and wakey should have been kicked out of super League until they had grounds that were suitable for top flight rugby league. The aim should be we end up with at least 12 category A teams to make it a competitive, entertaining league. You can't just rely on an ageing, nostalgic fan base who won't pay more than £25 for a ticket and refuse to pay more for big event games...new money, new fans, family friendly stadiums and making game day more of an experience rather than simply going to the game and going home. I agree the category A teams should be exempt from relegation as some are too big to lose. If you watch the Bradford bulls documentary on sky, you realise how big the club were and what we've actually lost, it's a big shame
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| Quote ="HFCHU8"After been quite strongly against licensing in the past, I’m accepting in the fact that the sport realistically needs it to develop teams lower down the pecking order. I think the initial IMG proposals are positive and for the good of the game, it’s a fine balance between putting pressure on sides to improve their faculties whilst also giving them a realistic time frame'"
Totally agree and if we are all to be honest it is long overdue and something that is needed to bring the whole sport in to the modern world and more professional form top to bottom. The sport as it is can not carry on like it has as it is diminishing rapidly and needs a real injection of change not just papering over the cracks as they have done before as underneath the cracks are now great chasms.
Lets be clear the room for error has gone due to the p!5s poor way the sport has been run both by the RFL and the SL clubs themselves. The changes they make have to be right from the start and the sport needs to have professional media and marketing to sell itself to the wider audience which is another area it continually shot itself in the foot. I think the lop fixture situation also needs addressing as its a league season that is an un level playing field for all teams as some benefit from the loop fixtures and others are disadvantaged as unless every team plays each other the same equal number of times both home and away how can the league standings at the end have any real integrity about them?
The criteria to meet the requirements to be a SL club need to be enforced rather than the blind eye that was turned. One of the biggest things has to be that all SL clubs run and reserve grade as well as youth development. As the failure to run a decent reserves set up generally in the sport is embarrassing, ground improvements/standards also need to be enforced.
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| Not a fan of the CC games over 2 legs
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| Quote ="mwindass"Not a fan of the CC games over 2 legs'"
I think it's just an interim measure to plicate Super league clubs who are losing the loop fixtures as a means of raising revenue. Good point about Championship clubs who get through to that round getting a home game though.
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| I like the two legs will be a definite home game for the clubs
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| So what happens if it's a blowout first match . Who's gonna go to the second match ? Say Batley beat Leeds in the first game. Then go and get blathered second game. Certainly no chance of upsets. Not a fan as it stands
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| Quote ="Ellam"I like the two legs will be a definite home game for the clubs'"
Great if you get Catalan or Toulouse. Your relying on home fans but having said that, not many fans travel away for CC games. I think the best crowd in the cup was Cas in 2017. Can fans afford 2 trips to Catalans? Not being deliberately negative, I hope this all pans out, we won’t get another chance, think this is the last chance in the last saloon.
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| Quote ="mwindass"Not a fan of the CC games over 2 legs'"
Stupid idea, any winning margin over about 3 converted tries in leg1 will mean people wont bother with leg2. It'd be the Football equivalent of a 3-0 first leg win.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Stupid idea, any winning margin over about 3 converted tries in leg1 will mean people wont bother with leg2. It'd be the Football equivalent of a 3-0 first leg win.'"
I suspect they’ll make it part of the season ticket package. It’ll be a first competitive home game of the season, so should usually have some good interest from fans.
After initially thinking, WTF?, I now think it is fairly clever idea.
If it helps end loop SL fixtures, that’ll be widely seen as a positive.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I suspect they’ll make it part of the season ticket package. It’ll be a first competitive home game of the season, so should usually have some good interest from fans.
After initially thinking, WTF?, I now think it is fairly clever idea.
If it helps end loop SL fixtures, that’ll be widely seen as a positive.'"
If it becomes part of the season ticket package how does that increase revenue? The only game I can see, generating any cash in that scenario, is a Derby.
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| Quote ="Armavinit"If it becomes part of the season ticket package how does that increase revenue? The only game I can see, generating any cash in that scenario, is a Derby.'"
If they cut loop fixtures, that means 11 home league games instead of 13. This guarantees another home game that could be included in the season ticket package and gives clubs a better chance to not have to cut the prices of season tickets. It doesn’t increase revenue, but it is a way of binning loop fixtures without losing much revenue… maybe.
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| Happy with everything that IMG are proposing. We, as a sport, need a huge reset moment and a forward thinking approach. Some of their suggestions may be uncomfortable initially, or a break from the norm, but that is EXACTLY what the sport needs.
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| Am I the only one who doesn't 'hate' the loop fixtures ??
Don't think there are enough games as it is, losing 3 home attendances & a further 20% of Sky money - WTF ??
Would support CC not being seeded so soon, surely that would give more non SL teams a chance of a big crowd & some steady openers to the season, added bonus of some SL clashes making the tournament less predictable.
I would add a team such as Toulouse but apparently the other clubs aren't prepared to share the Sky Money ??
Interesting that the IMG report ranted about the importance of London, Hmmm - been existence 40 years, CC Final, several years in SL, probably dozens of venues & NEVER come close to establishing an identity or local fanbase. They must have some magic pixie dust methinks.
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| Quote ="mwindass"https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12204/12719569/rfl-give-strong-support-to-radical-new-plans-from-img-to-scrap-super-league-relegation
Looks like the grading system is going ahead'"
Ridiculous not having a Relegation /Promotion to S/L
What will Toulouse do now just throw in the towel after all their hard work
It will however be an enthralling Championship race next season and some S/L teams will be shi--ng their pants at the thought of relegation
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| Quote ="bonaire"Ridiculous not having a Relegation /Promotion to S/L
What will Toulouse do now just throw in the towel after all their hard work
It will however be an enthralling Championship race next season and some S/L teams will be shi--ng their pants at the thought of relegation'"
Don't agree. It's all about raising standards across the game. Strive for a grade A and you'll be fine. Plod along happy with your grade C and you'll be swapped out for a higher ranked club
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| Quote ="bonaire"Ridiculous not having a Relegation /Promotion to S/L
What will Toulouse do now just throw in the towel after all their hard work
It will however be an enthralling Championship race next season and some S/L teams will be shi--ng their pants at the thought of relegation'"
I guess with regard to their infrastructure if they are a category A club by then it won't matter and if they aren't, then IMG see it as an incentive for them to gain that status in the Championship to get included in the top division. What interested me was the amount of lower clubs that voted for it as it was a massive amount of support for the changes there must be a more equatable sharing out of the tv money afoot I feel
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| Quote ="mwindass"Don't agree. It's all about raising standards across the game. Strive for a grade A and you'll be fine. Plod along happy with your grade C and you'll be swapped out for a higher ranked club'"
so what happens if you have 15 clubs all grade A?
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| Quote ="bonaire"so what happens if you have 15 clubs all grade A?'"
Then you increase the teams in the comp. They eventually want at least a 14 team comp.
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| Quote ="mwindass"Don't agree. It's all about raising standards across the game. Strive for a grade A and you'll be fine. Plod along happy with your grade C and you'll be swapped out for a higher ranked club'"
Its a good theory if and the big if is that clubs have the money to do that. I honestley dont think clubs like Cas have poor toilet facilities by choice, or poor parking and unconvered stands.
The loss of home games will probably see more revenue go down and Sky money also. Who is going to subsidise these losses ?
Cant see it working at all.
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| The loop fixtures took their toll towards the end of last season with pretty much every side struggling with injuries and in some instances (saints & wigan) fielding weakened squads for SL fixtures. Sides have the right to pick what players they like but none the less it doesn't sit right with me that sides are pretty much forced to pick and chose when to rest players for their welfare, particularly with the impact it can have on the rest of the table.
Less games is less strain on the players, less strain should (hopefully) lead to less injuries and better quality of games. As for SKY money, the IMG/RFL should be making the case for more games to be televised each round. If most rounds have 3 games broadcasted it would more than make up for the loss from scrapping the loop fixtures.
As for promotion/relegation, I think the sport is sadly at a point where it is no longer sustainable and is to some degree holding back the game. I am a firm believer that the structure proposed by IMG will give the likes of Toulouse/Bradford/Widnes/London a better chance of getting back in SL in comparison to the current structure. All of which would offer more to the sport then the likes of Batley/Fev and Halifax.
There is a strange mentality from some west Yorkshire clubs that think the proposals are to protect the elite when in reality its a wake up call for them. The sport is in no position to be held back by part time sides who don't have the ambition of reaching the SL.
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