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| Quote ="mwindass"If AP thinks Hodgson is the man to take the club forward he needs to give him as much support as possible.
At least one new experienced assistant and an overhaul of the conditioning staff is needed.'"
I agree. He either chucks all his eggs in 1 basket if Adam believes Brett is the right man and invest in an improved backroom set up.
We must be the most unfit and disorganised team in the league with no identity or intensity in our play.
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| There is simply no excuse for so many senior players letting the club and fans down on a weekly basis for the past 3/4 years.Rumours that Taylor doesn’t want Hodgson as coach,and if true,then time for Taylor to leave as he’s a shadow of the player from 2016/17.
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| Quote ="mwindass"If AP thinks Hodgson is the man to take the club forward he needs to give him as much support as possible.
At least one new experienced assistant and an overhaul of the conditioning staff is needed.'"
The club is in freefall,Said it weeks ago and as was lambasted by the usual clique of posters on here.
There has to be a reason for Pearsons silence and i guess over the next few weeks or even next week we will find out why.
Another embarrassing defeat at Salford will make no difference now as most fans have lost interest in the club and the game and thats a serious problem for Pearson particularly as there will; be very little interest in the Derby with little financial gain
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| I’ve also followed fc for 60 yrs but the nonsense about motu is ridiculous.
There’s a limited talent pool of players.
They have agents and they all speak to each other. It’s about personalities and end of the day the “best deal “ on the table. Just like in real working life.
I’ve said before about rowley , he’s transformed Salford and Sneyd
He has man managed and sold a concept to the players.
I saw hodgson after the match and really felt for the guy. He is doing is best with one arm tied behind his back but he’s trying to galvanise a group of players that are not understanding or accepting his ideas.
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| Hey guys thanks for all the thumbs up on my earlier post most unexpected.
Let me say reading through this thread it's not all about money or marquee players see my club never had a marquee player (although the Crofts and Hastings of this world would be anywhere else) hell we don't even get anywhere near the cap. We had Salford boy Watson but he fancied having a go at emptying Ken's wallet and I said I wouldn't have him back on this forum not because he sh^t on us but because Rowley is better, incidentally our march on the grand final and Wembley came after Rowley joined "the backroom" whether that had anything to do with it I don't know.
My point being don't give up on your club, how many times do you think I've thought that in 52 years of watching mine ? also through lack of success it's easy to see how a club has "no fans" thats what we get, but I've watched in interest with other clubs recently and when you see the like of Leeds taking a couple of hundred to Wigan or even yourselves c'mon how many are coming Thursday ? then it's easy to see, but we had our time in 2019 think we managed thousands at OT and maybe we would at Wembley we'll never know, I was there though just to cheer the boys into the stadium.
Anyway it would be nice to see some of you on Thursday come and watch some "Rowleyball" it's breathtaking. Cheers
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| Quote ="Salford red all over"Hey guys thanks for all the thumbs up on my earlier post most unexpected.
Let me say reading through this thread it's not all about money or marquee players see my club never had a marquee player (although the Crofts and Hastings of this world would be anywhere else) hell we don't even get anywhere near the cap. We had Salford boy Watson but he fancied having a go at emptying Ken's wallet and I said I wouldn't have him back on this forum not because he sh^t on us but because Rowley is better, incidentally our march on the grand final and Wembley came after Rowley joined "the backroom" whether that had anything to do with it I don't know.
My point being don't give up on your club, how many times do you think I've thought that in 52 years of watching mine ? also through lack of success it's easy to see how a club has "no fans" thats what we get, but I've watched in interest with other clubs recently and when you see the like of Leeds taking a couple of hundred to Wigan or even yourselves c'mon how many are coming Thursday ? then it's easy to see, but we had our time in 2019 think we managed thousands at OT and maybe we would at Wembley we'll never know, I was there though just to cheer the boys into the stadium.
Anyway it would be nice to see some of you on Thursday come and watch some "Rowleyball" it's breathtaking. Cheers'"
Weve had too many false dawns for people to buy into it, you only habe to look how much we charge to watch us play.
Im glad you guys are looking after Sneyd and having a real go, your club has being a breath of fresh air the last few seasons. Good luck.
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| We have gone down the road of sacking coaches when the players have decided they don't like them. This time we are going a different route. Not saying it's gonna work but it's a route we are going. How maddening would it be to see certain players still here after getting rid of 2 coaches
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| Quote ="hull2524"We have gone down the road of sacking coaches when the players have decided they don't like them. This time we are going a different route. Not saying it's gonna work but it's a route we are going. How maddening would it be to see certain players still here after getting rid of 2 coaches'"
Thats a drum ive being banging for a while, a new coach wpuldnt have us any higher up the table. I think you also see alot about players in these situations, if they is a players revolt then get rid of them. You dont need them loose cannons around the place.
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| Really tough time to be an FC fan, but I will renew for ever, there have been worse times in the past.
To me the repeat serious injuries are not ‘bad luck’ - does the club apply analysis to these ? Style of play a big factor, lack of movement and running our guys into brick walls, leading to slow ptb, sluggish service and onrushing defence, reset ………
Preparation questionable we don’t look fit or strong enough, lots of concern about too much training on the 4g…. Don’t see us making the most of what we have.
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| We've seemed to have an injury crisis every season since 2018. If it was the odd season I'd put it down to bad luck, but it's too regular. All with the same head of S&C...
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| Fully agree that attitude a major factor too, but if players disaffected we need to address why ?
Good management all about getting ‘buy in’ from everybody to shared objectives etc - there is no evidence of that at all.
Body language from BH really poor, last 2 weeks seen him behind the posts on warm up & at the bench on Friday - but no talk with anybody at all !! Feel for him & AP & many of the players. Has to start with a culture reset otherwise tweaking personnel will not make a difference.
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| Quote ="al283"Body language from BH really poor, last 2 weeks seen him behind the posts on warm up & at the bench on Friday - but no talk with anybody at all !! Feel for him & AP & many of the players. Has to start with a culture reset otherwise tweaking personnel will not make a difference.'" I’ve said it on here before but the guy has no ‘fire in his belly’ it’s something you can even see during the game by how stoic he is.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I’ve said it on here before but the guy has no ‘fire in his belly’ it’s something you can even see during the game by how stoic he is.'" So was Brian Smith. What's your point
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I’ve said it on here before but the guy has no ‘fire in his belly’ it’s something you can even see during the game by how stoic he is.'"
It’s an Aussie thing, hardly show emotions, unless your scoring tries a la Wolff. Wasn’t very stoic at the end of the Wakey game, almost in tears. I think that alone shows how passionate he is.
This shower of a team is enough to put any bonfire out. Certainly has mine.
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| Quote ="hull2524"So was Brian Smith. What's your point'"
The players played for Brian Smith and respected him
You cant say the same for Hodgson
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| Quote ="bonaire"The players played for Brian Smith and respected him
You cant say the same for Hodgson'" Hence he's sorting it out. Or do you just sack the coach like we have done in the past.
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| Quote ="hull2524"Hence he's sorting it out. Or do you just sack the coach like we have done in the past.'"
I would sack him as i cant see anything he has done that has enhanced us as a club at first team level and thats what counts and brings in the money for the club.
We are going backwards fast.
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| Quote ="hull2524"So was Brian Smith. What's your point'" He is before my time but a quick google search doesn’t back up what you’re saying, he was fined a few times for his conduct in postgame interviews in the NRL and had a very public falling out with Bill Harrigan.
You don’t think a coach is there to motivate their players? Like I’ve said before the hours he puts in at the club is commendable but I don’t think he is the correct personality type to get us out of this mess.
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| Didn't expect him to be bawling - just interacting.
A few words of encouragement here & there, quick review of how players carrying knocks where feeling ???
Just looked completely isolated, surely can't be at loggerheads with the entire squad ??
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| Well sorry guys but he ain't going Anywhere
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| Quote ="bonaire"The players played for Brian Smith and respected him
You cant say the same for Hodgson'"
Hodgson is more like Peter Gentle than Brian Smith.
Both are undoubtedly likeable, decent, honest, hard working men. Gentle is clearly respected as an assistant coach with a CV to back it up. He was just out of his depth in a head coach role.
Hodgson like Gentle has been very unlucky with injuries to his squad but similarly seems to lack a Plan B. They are both quietly spoken and as Hollywood says Hodgson doesn't appear to have that X Faxtor to lift or motivate his team.
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| Quote ="hull2524"Well sorry guys but he ain't going Anywhere'"
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"20 years ago nearly with loads of money and a golden generation emerging. What Radford did at Hull is more impressive, in many ways. You can chuck in Smith’s time at Wire and the scales are still not far off balanced.
After 25+ years of SL how do we define success and failure? I’d say there is a huge, possibly now unbridgeable, gulf between how it is defined by small number of top SL clubs and the rest. 10 years ago, I could convince myself that if another club got this or that just right they could maybe join the elite or displace one of them. Now, it feels really unlikely. We’re left hoping for a Leicester City 15-16, one amazing year, scenario. It’s by no means unique to SL - all the big football leagues in Europe have massive issues with competitive imbalance. But it’s understood and acknowledged. In RL people don’t seem to have come to terms with it and spout all sorts of (imo) rubbish about the salary cap or bringing through kids to keep it a strange mystery.'"
Been saying similar for years. If you look at all the SL Grand Finals there's a pretty small percentage of participants that aren't the Big 3 (Saints, Wigan, Leeds) since the demise of Bradford. You need cash for first team and a strong pipeline/ infrastructure. Outside of these and Warrington there's not enough cash for clubs to afford both.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Been saying similar for years. If you look at all the SL Grand Finals there's a pretty small percentage of participants that aren't the Big 3 (Saints, Wigan, Leeds) since the demise of Bradford. You need cash for first team and a strong pipeline/ infrastructure. Outside of these and Warrington there's not enough cash for clubs to afford both.'"
There's a striking difference between the Grand Final and Challenge Cup Final. Only three Grand Final winners in sixteen years yet the Challenge Cup has had six different winners in six seasons and six finalists in the last three.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Are you speaking metaphorically?'" No figuratively speaking . Thought you would have known that
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