I know it wouldn't be my first choice, I just think having him off the pitch would set our kicking game back 2-3 years!

Miller and Horne would be good. Miller has shown glimpses of some Benji-esque kicking (can't remember which game it was where he kicked it from half way and hit the post, had the fb scrambling and turned the opp around) and Horne seems to have pulled a kicking game out of thin air this season

Also think Horne kicks better at 6, along with the rest of his game there. His maturity would replace Holdsworth's experience next to the young Miller. Gentle loves Holdsworth, though, but to the extent where it's a Galea-esque blind spot? Hope not.

Holdsworth has shortcomings with the ball but we wouldn't have got anywhere near Wembley without him in the semi final.

we wouldnt have beaten warrington,but for holdsworth.whiting and heremias tries both created by him.

He took a head shot early in the game - maybe his confidence drops ?

Our halfbacks are not the problem , the pack is .
Lynch and Watts have been disappointing . Tickle apart from his goalkicking will not be missed. Westerman is average at best.
Ellis has not hit the heights expected of him.
We need some aggression ASAP . Lets hope the Club have been busy addressing the above.
Our halfbacks will perform with a platform to work off. In the pack this year the loss of Manu and Moa has been massive.
My choice would be to sign James Graham , Hock and Manu .

we have more problems in the forewards than the backs.our success in 2005 was partly due to carvell,king,thackery and kearney giving us a great go foreward.

it was only 2 weeks ago people where saying wrap holdsworth up in cotton wool, now its get rid, he is what he is, and imo still the best option we have

Imagine what a good half back would've created...

As I said, far more bad games than good!!

Don't rate him, never have never will!!!

When people say daft things like this you can safely discount their opinion. Anyone who rules out changing their opinion of a player regardless of how well they might play in the future is foolish or biased. Possibly both.

We have to find a place in the starting line up for horne on Friday IMO. Still our highest number of try assists by some margin

How was Horne match fit? And how did Holdsworth 'vanish' to get us to Wembley?

Ok, sorry. Meant that I've not seen anything to change my mind!! My opinion is that he's distinctly average, overrated and over hyped and at 28 is not likely to get a great deal better. That said he's probably the best that we will attract!!

Wembley was nothing to do with halfbacks, dummy runners, creativity etc, we simply dropped the ball too much and it cost us the game.

Wigan dropped the ball nearly as much as us, just they did it better than us too

Correct but our inability to score points or attack effectively ALL SEASON is to do with halfbacks etc.. That great defence can only hold out so long. Fact is Wigan could've scored a lot more with the chances they had but bombed.. We never looked like scoring (barring Shaul's break) and caused Wigan no trouble at all..

Trouble is we dropped it on the first and second tackle.

I'm talking specifically about Wembley. We didn't look like scoring as we constantly dropped the ball in Wigan's half.

Plus Wigan dropped it under pressure in the collision. We just dropped it cold.

Spot on Robbo that's what I said.

Most of our errors on Saturday were unforced. Neither half back played well but they didn't really get a chance to. I think we just bottled it

Having seen Miller a few times now, I don't think he is up to super league consistently. His timing of passing and picking the correct pass is really poor.

Most of our errors were certainly unforced - we were looked like we were bricking it when passing it along the line.

I disagree. He is a young kid with no pre season with these players. He showed against Widnes that he has the variety in his game to be a good number 7 for us. But, he is struggling with boring attack where we just seem to go side to side very slowly, when he attacks the line he does look good