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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"Thought Washbrook made a massive difference today as he is such a smart footballer plus a running and passing threat which we lack when Radford starts at 13.
The off the ball running for the Calderwood and G.Horne try was very good but its a shame we had to go behind by so many points before we start actually spreading the ball out.
If you compared our sets from the first half when we were in Saints 20 to the sets in the second half it would look like a entirely different side.'"
Its always the same though, we only ever start playing some decent rugby when the game looks to be gone or we are chasing it and the players think "might as well go for it now".
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Washy has been a massive miss for us this season, to have him and Whiting back is excellent news. Despite all the doom and gloom I don't think we are that far off being a good side and we could easily finish in the top four.'"
Agree Paul, Whiting is a big plus and Washy can make breaks and put people through gaps and help out Thorman and Horney.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Washy has been a massive miss for us this season, to have him and Whiting back is excellent news. Despite all the doom and gloom I don't think we are that far off being a good side and we could easily finish in the top four.'"
Thats a massive call Paul.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Thats a massive call Paul.
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You're right - we're a whole two points off third apot.
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| A massive positive from the game. First time i've seen him so was dissapointed he wasn't bigger as there's no doubt we lack size but thought he had a top game. The biggest plus was that he's obviously a bit of a ball player, he wasn't just driving it forward, he stepped a couple of times, looked good on his feet and crucially he does have some pace. Also a couple of massive hits, one on Fattyvaloo at one point.
Maybe had to play a little longer because unless i'm mistaken, King didnt return second half.
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| Quote ="downtheante"You're right - we're a whole two points off third apot.'"
Plenty of ifs and buts.
Having now seen every team, I don't see Hull as a top 4 side and i don't see Rovers as one either (despite only being 1 point of third spot . )
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Plenty of ifs and buts.
Having now seen every team, I don't see Hull as a top 4 side and i don't see Rovers as one either (despite only being 1 point of third spot .
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As a matter of conjecture, if you went through the whole league, who would you see as top four based on their form so far?
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"Thought Washbrook made a massive difference today as he is such a smart footballer plus a running and passing threat which we lack when Radford starts at 13.
The off the ball running for the Calderwood and G.Horne try was very good but its a shame we had to go behind by so many points before we start actually spreading the ball out.
If you compared our sets from the first half when we were in Saints 20 to the sets in the second half it would look like a entirely different side.'"
As you have said on countless occaisions, Radford is used as a 3rd prop at LF as is the way the game is played now. Play him as a conventional prop and we may find a place for Washy/Whiting at LF and have a ball running LF.
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| Quote ="downtheante"As a matter of conjecture, if you went through the whole league, who would you see as top four based on their form so far?'"
Saints
Leeds
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Les Cats.
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| Quote ="me 'n' our kid"As you have said on countless occaisions, Radford is used as a 3rd prop at LF as is the way the game is played now. Play him as a conventional prop and we may find a place for Washy/Whiting at LF and have a ball running LF.'"
Seeing Whiting back against Rovers was so refreshing. Someone with good defence, not a little guile, vision and (dare I say) showing some pace. Loose man or 6 would be a great spot for him.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Saints
Leeds
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I don't know if that was sarcastic or whether you mean it. Either way, I think your list shows how hard to pick it really is. And you have chosen two teams that Hull have beaten and one we haven't played. On their current form, now might be a good time to play Leeds.
I wouldn't like to call the top four at the moment and, because of that, can't see why Hull couldn't be counted amongst them.
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| Quote ="downtheante"Seeing Whiting back against Rovers was so refreshing. Someone with good defence, not a little guile, vision and (dare I say) showing some pace. Loose man or 6 would be a great spot for him.'"
Deffo looked a yard faster. Maybe he should break his other leg could become a real speedster
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| Quote ="downtheante"I don't know if that was sarcastic or whether you mean it. Either way, I think your list shows how hard to pick it really is. And you have chosen two teams that Hull have beaten and one we haven't played. On their current form, now might be a good time to play Leeds.
I wouldn't like to call the top four at the moment and, because of that, can't see why Hull couldn't be counted amongst them.'"
If i was being sarcastic i'd have put Wire in there
The two teams you have beaten are now playing some of the best rugby in the comp. If Hull played them now they'd wipe the floor with you.
Agree about Leeds though.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"If i was being sarcastic i'd have put Wire in there
The two teams you have beaten are now playing some of the best rugby in the comp. If Hull played them now they'd wipe the floor with you.
Agree about Leeds though.'"
That's kind of my point: things change. Not long ago, people were saying how poor Cats and Huddersfield were and yet now those same people might consider them top-four contenders. In three games time ( ) the whole table could be completely different.
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| Quote ="me 'n' our kid"As you have said on countless occaisions, Radford is used as a 3rd prop at LF as is the way our game is played now. Play him as a conventional prop and we may find a place for Washy/Whiting at LF and have a ball running LF.'"
Think i am right in thinking we are one of the few teams who has a 3rd prop at LF. This means we need more interchanges as a conventional loose forward stays on for a full game ie sinfield. This means we could spell our second rowers (finally) and we will have 3 ball players on the park giving us more options in attack.
personally would have washbrook at 13 and have whiting at right centre if it was up 2 me
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| Quote ="abel711989"Think i am right in thinking we are one of the few teams who has a 3rd prop at LF. This means we need more interchanges as a conventional loose forward stays on for a full game ie sinfield. This means we could spell our second rowers (finally) and we will have 3 ball players on the park giving us more options in attack.
personally would have washbrook at 13 and have whiting at right centre if it was up 2 me'"
As we dont seem to use our full 12 thats obviously not the thinking of our coach.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"As we dont seem to use our full 12 thats obviously not the thinking of our coach.'"
have noticed this too. wat is the reasoning 4 this?
we have 12 interchanges so we should use them in order to keep players as fresh as possible
some of our players look fooked and we are not giving them a break
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| Quote ="downtheante"That's kind of my point: things change. Not long ago, people were saying how poor Cats and Huddersfield were and yet now those same people might consider them top-four contenders. In three games time (
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Fair point.
But in all honesty is was expecting big things from Huddersfield and Les Cats anyway and after a faltering start they are now delivering. They have quality all over the park and are the nearest thing on paper to Leeds and Saints. Both have had changes of coach but now their players appear to be warming to them.
I don't think Rovers or Hull have anything like that same quality of player, or coach for that matter. But like you say time will tell.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Fair point.
But in all honesty is was expecting big things from Huddersfield and Les Cats anyway and after a faltering start they are now delivering. They have quality all over the park and are the nearest thing on paper to Leeds and Saints. Both have had changes of coach but now their players appear to be warming to them.
I don't think Rovers or Hull have anything like that same quality of player, or coach for that matter. But like you say time will tell.'"
Seeing as you mention "on paper" and there's been a lot of discussion recently about quality coaches, what about Warrington's chances? There are a lot of games left.
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| Quote ="downtheante"Seeing as you mention "on paper" and there's been a lot of discussion recently about quality coaches, what about Warrington's chances? There are a lot of games left.'"
I suppose 'on paper' they have decent side, but they have had a decent side on paper for number of years and have always disappointed. So on that basis even allowing for Tony Smith i am writing their chances off.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Thats a massive call Paul.
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Looking and how teams are playing I think its wide open for any of the current top 8 to cement a place in the top four. Should Luauki and Crocker get the nod would fancy us to improve and have a good go at it.
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| Maloney had a very good debut, he ran hard and direct. Thought King did well in his short spell also. Calderwood, G.Horne & Washy also put in good performances.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Saints
Leeds
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Couldn't agree more !!!
Those four sides have the size and power in the pack (that we don't have)
They have the creativity in pivotal positions (that we largely don't have)
They have pace and strike power in the backs (that we largely lack )
Catalans last night, after going behind early, proved what a very good side they have and, regardless of their poor start, they look a top four side to me and will undoubtedly finish above both us and the dobbins.
The lack of quality in our squad will leave us fighting for the 7th and 8th positions along with hkr and possibly quins.
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| Against Saint we look better with ball in hand more so when Berro came on he gave us more go forward ..it was always going to be a long afternoon at Saints but in my opinion a better performance ..then Friday ..yes we lost ..there was some good signs there.. (not a lot of one man rugby for a change ) that we been playing ..players were trying to off load and passing better ..putting players through gaps.. some fans have posted the kicking side of the game need improvement needs working on at training this week ..Let hope they can carry it on in the next games
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| Thought he was our MOTM, runs the ball very hard and along with Manu was our two biggest threats with ball in hand, obviously still very raw but he looks a great prospect and i hope he plays against Wakefield
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