having seen the quality of the songs posted I can only hope the singing doesn't take off.

Maybe, just maybe, the average rugby fan has moved away from swearing and chanting all the way through a game, maybe people go to watch the game, maybe when the result means something the crowd will be motivated to sing, like we did at The McAplpine when we knew we were going to Wembley, like we did at The Keepmoat when we knew we were going to Wembley, like we did at,errrrm, Cardiff and Wembley.

Anyone struggling pre-match to meet up with old friends for a drink should probably stop going to the KC straight off and go in Parkers, Bricks, Charleston etc. , you know, where we used to meet before going in The Boulevard.

And once again, well summed up.

It was the "knobs in the west stand" comment, which you have subsequently explained.

think she meant Cocks

Since the majority of the atmosphere is created in the North East and South east corners you can only persume the problem is the central area. Its been hijacked by the Prawn Sarnie Brigade who have snapped up the best reserved seats.

Nothing wrong with this but if we are looking for a reason why there is no atmosphere then here you are.

Now you can either try to make the South Stand the 'Kop' or you take away the 'reserved' seating in the East Stand allowing the people who want to create the atmosphere chance to get more central.

or, and here's an idea, you leave it well enough alone and let the crowd do as they please, what with them being paying customers and it being their right.

...and thats what will happen. Healthier crowds year on year why would the club risk upsetting its passholders?

All i'm saying is if you are looking for a reason why the atmosphere is flat than that for me is the reason.

No, the reason is, as I have stated, the demographic of the crowd has changed completely since the heady days of The Boulevard, many more women, children etc.

Take away the reserved seating and I wouldn't bother getting a pass. Bollox to getting there an hour before kick off just to get a decent seat.

It was only threepenny's at the boulevard who sang anyway, most of the ground didn't, same as most of every ground in the league.

The atmosphere at the KC has had as much to do with the performance of teh team as much as anything else. There have been some great atmosphere's there when we've been doing well.

As stupid as it sounds, a singing block may not be a bad idea as at least it would encourage those who want to sing to sit together and get things going

absolutely right too!! we sit right in the middle of the "sarnie Brigade" as they were called and I recall a lot of folk eating pies!!
tons of singing, kids having a great time , no bother and families enjoying watching a rugby match , maybe I should move my family to the corner and start throwing coins and singing "when i was just a little boy" 50 times every game like a boring scratched record.. NOT!!

all the pass holders , families, pensioners , and so on all had a great time trust me

I am agreeing with you more than can be healthy...

bang on the money for me.

good news is, depending on the outcome of a meeting tomorrow, I might be a SP holder again by Monday - fingers crossed!

West Stand I presume

Preference would be East, but I'm not happy to have rubbish seats, so West may well win out.

anywhere is good as long as its away from the nappy gang singing about rovers to any club we play, most of em arent big enough to hold a gun never mind sing about one!!
they are somewhat tedious arent they ??, old fella behind me on Sunday said " you see that lot show there is a case for mass sterilisation"
nearly had heart failure..

but anywhere is good at the KC , i have sat in all areas and had a top day in all its one of those well planned stadia isnt it

Still think one of the biggest reasons for poor atmosphere at some games over recent seasons is two fold:

The first being the fact that the product on the field for at least the last 2 seasons has been poor and even the most rose tinted specticled fans at times found it hard to generate much interest in what they were seeing and not exactly much to get excited about.
The second is inpart simply down to the lack in numbers of away support which apart from one or two SL clubs is poor at the KC.

I think the atmosphere will no doubt improve if the team play with heart and desire for the full 80minutes and actually play some entertaining rugby.

Away support is poor because it's too expensive.

didnt think it was bad at all on sunday but last season was very muted I agree!!
one or two big hits , a couple of wins and it will be cooking on gas again!!

Too expensive to travel maybe but the dobbins get less away fans than us and they're cheaper

unless they get the restriction removed from the Golf stand then there will be even less this season.

...and/or Fri and some Saturday night games are just too much for families and people who have to work. This is where family meets corporate.

Yup, have to agree, it's kind of two fingers to anyone much further away than Leeds, but it seems to be working in terms of season passes and corporates, so as a business decision it's fairly sound.

not so sure on that one

when we first moved to the KC prices were cheaper, but away crowds weren't massively different (even on sunday afternoons)

the only clubs capable of bringing a decent following are Leeds, Rovers, Bradford, Warrington, Saints, Cas and Wakefield. The others still woulden't bring big numbers if the price was £1.

I disagree, if you look in football many of them have "unofficial" singing blocks. For example places like QPR and Notts forest have the X (not sure what letter) block were people will go and start the singing, which usually leads to the rest of the ground singing. Threepenney may have gone down pan towards the end but it certainley got more people singing and learning the songs. The KC atmosphere is rubbish , ok it may be louder at times but thats just people making any old noise, old faithful is an embarrassment when sung now and the only song we can finish is come on you hull.

Untill we as fans get our acts together and start getting behind the team vocally as we use to the KC will not fruitate as a fortress. Lets be honest if we go 6-0 down the place becomes a morgue, not everyone has the confidence to just get up in the middle of nowhere and start singing on there own. Thats why we are better at away games because everyone is grouped together and usually people will join in, I don't believe the answer is people will sing if they want to.

I was talking about this last night, I think it would be the best way for the club to get a bit of atmosphere within the KC. A takes a lot to get that stadium echoeing, yet it could be easily done!!! If it's explained to the fans (i.e. which block and what the idea is) I think it'd be very succesful, definitely something I think could be approached with to the club.