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| Quote ="BlackNwhite"maybe lee spoke with rovers and was not intrested with what they offered or the part he would play there? It was only last night that rule said there was an offer on the table for him and didnt state how long it was open for.'"
Doesn't change the fact that Hull originally offered a single year and he's now signed a contract for 2. So the deal on offer has been changed.
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| Quote ="BlackNwhite"maybe lee spoke with rovers and was not intrested with what they offered or the part he would play there? It was only last night that rule said there was an offer on the table for him and didnt state how long it was open for.'"
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Doesn't change the fact that Hull originally offered a single year and he's now signed a contract for 2. So the deal on offer has been changed.'" i hadnt realised he was only offered a 1 year to start. Never knew the club stated that
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| Great tackler and shuts down the middle, does a lot of work and I am happy he has signed. If we can replace Dowes if in fact he leaves with someone "we" all think is better then we will have done a good bit of business.
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| Quote ="BlackNwhite"i hadnt realised he was only offered a 1 year to start. Never knew the club stated that'"
Rule was quoted as saying that Dowes had been made an offer for 2011 (in the singular), and that the same applied for Radford.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"agree with Wilf, unless his body miraculously repairs itself , i think he will become a bit part in the second term of his new contract !!.. however given what is available for the same money he is a steal!!'"
This is the thing, most fans won't know what money he is on and what the value really is as they won't know what other players wanted to come. The clubs have to manage the cap and I trust them to do that. The way our pack is set up now means Lee has to do less minutes which may also help him to get through another two years.Also some of his wages can be offset by the coaching he is doing.
It's good business for us I would not have wanted to lose Dowes, Radford and Yak in one fell swoop. If we can bring in a replacement for Yak/Dowes then I would be happy with that.
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| If Moa wanted to return to the NRL they'd be no shortage of suitors.
Webster? He's retired from playing.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"This is the thing, most fans won't know what money he is on and what the value really is as they won't know what other players wanted to come. The clubs have to manage the cap and I trust them to do that. The way our pack is set up now means Lee has to do less minutes which may also help him to get through another two years.Also some of his wages can be offset by the coaching he is doing.
It's good business for us I would not have wanted to lose Dowes, Radford and Yak in one fell swoop. If we can bring in a replacement for Yak/Dowes then I would be happy with that.'"
Also it was showed with dobson. If fc have a price for someones worth they stick with it. I dont see any reason why this would change for radford
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| Poor. Clubs been held to ransome IMO, he's a plodder now so will only be worse in 2 years. Would rather keep him than Dowes for next year but for 2 years I'd have preferred Dowes (who i think is a poor player). Very disappointing, thought we was getting somewhere obviously not.
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| BlackNwhite wrote:maybe lee spoke with rovers and was not intrested with what they offered or the part he would play there? It was only last night that rule said there was an offer on the table for him and didnt state how long it was open for.
Quote ="EXPRO"bang on
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Not bang on at all. Lee was offered a very good deal by Rovers and would have been an integral part of the team on a 2 year contract and was on the verge of signing it. The only reason he spoke to them was when Hull only offered him a 1 year contract. Hull then extended his offer to two years on similar terms at the last minute so he stayed.
So your once again speaking %£*! that you know nothing about and just pretend to be in the know.
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| ETV - Similar terms to Rovers on similar terms to our one year deal? If he's on a "very good deal" then we've well and truly messed up IMO.
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"ETV - Similar terms to Rovers on similar terms to our one year deal? If he's on a "very good deal" then we've well and truly messed up IMO.'"
Less than Rovers I believe but obviously get an okay wedge from his testimonial to make up for it. He wanted to stay at Hull from day one but anyone in their right mind would take a 2 year offer over a 1 year in any job. He'll still be going strong in 2 years, he never stops training and injuries hardly affect him. Good signing for you IMO there's no way he'll end like Long, Sculthorpe etc .
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| Shame this isn't another of Expro's Red Herrings.
Worst bit of recruitment news so far. Radford shouldn't be anywhere near our squad next year let alone 2012!
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| Quote ="PAUL M"This is the thing, most fans won't know what money he is on and what the value really is as they won't know what other players wanted to come. The clubs have to manage the cap and I trust them to do that. The way our pack is set up now means Lee has to do less minutes which may also help him to get through another two years.Also some of his wages can be offset by the coaching he is doing.
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If he plays in Super League his full salary counts on the cap.
I'm glad he has re-signed, the two year deal is a surprise though. If as looks likely we have missed out on Fielden then this is an important signing as available props are a bit thin on the ground.
Radders has an excellent apperarance record probably the best at the club after Dowes (ironically).
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A couple of the missed games weren't necessarily down to injuries either
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| Quote ="Howlin' Coyote"Shame this isn't another of Expro's Red Herrings.
Worst bit of recruitment news so far. Radford shouldn't be anywhere near our squad next year let alone 2012!'"
Bit harsh
He was definitely worth another year and i'm sure he can bring something on the coaching front. Also if true and he had a better offer from Rovers, shown some loyalty, especially if he's taken a pay cut.
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| Not sure about 2 years myself, would have been happier with one, but not depressed by it either. I think also what is fantastic, is the news he is coming into the coaching set up. That can only be a big plus IMO.
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| Poor signing.
would have been ok for 1 year, but I very much doubt he'll be good enough in year2.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"If he plays in Super League his full salary counts on the cap.
I'm glad he has re-signed, the two year deal is a surprise though. If as looks likely we have missed out on Fielden then this is an important signing as available props are a bit thin on the ground.
Radders has an excellent apperarance record probably the best at the club after Dowes (ironically).
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| Quote ="GJJ 79"Bit harsh
He was definitely worth another year and i'm sure he can bring something on the coaching front. Also if true and he had a better offer from Rovers, shown some loyalty, especially if he's taken a pay cut.'"
Not in my opinion.
As for the question of Loyalty, it could also be said that he has used the interest from Rovers as leverage to gain the second year of his new contract so I don't buy it.
I don't know whether he will bring something to the coaching front or not but I don't believe that this should play a part in negotiating a playing contact. If they like him as a coach then employ him as one.
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| Quote ="Howlin' Coyote"Not in my opinion.
As for the question of Loyalty, it could also be said that he has used the interest from Rovers as leverage to gain the second year of his new contract so I don't buy it.
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Trying to get the best deal for himself and his family? Disgraceful act of disloyalty, eh
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| obviously a 1 year deal would of been better but if it is true that dowes has signed for bradford then that does leave us short upfront so not to dissapointed. with dowes and cusack going i still feel 1 more quality prop is needed ideally fielden would be great. also id like to see fitzy named in at prop with whiting and washy fighting for the 13 position. so we could see omeley,sam moa,fielden(hopefully), radders and if we dont get another prop then fitzy at prop.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Trying to get the best deal for himself and his family? Disgraceful act of disloyalty, eh
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Feel free to point out where I have accused him of being disloyal? Of course he is entitled to try and get the best deal for himself and his family but by the same token does this make him loyal Saint Lee Radford of Hull FC, eh
Afraid we will just have to agree to disagree on the merits of this piece of recruitment.
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| Quote ="Eric The Viking"BlackNwhite wrote:maybe lee spoke with rovers and was not intrested with what they offered or the part he would play there? It was only last night that rule said there was an offer on the table for him and didnt state how long it was open for.
Not bang on at all. Lee was offered a very good deal by Rovers and would have been an integral part of the team on a 2 year contract and was on the verge of signing it. The only reason he spoke to them was when Hull only offered him a 1 year contract. Hull then extended his offer to two years on similar terms at the last minute so he stayed.
So your once again speaking %£*! that you know nothing about and just pretend to be in the know.'"
don't doubt all of that apart from him being an integral part of rovers team he would have been a rotation prop at best really, vella, clinton, watts, lovegrove would have all been first choice at prop next year before radford and galea and newton would have been first choice in the 2nd row. I don't think he ever really wanted to leave and has got what he wants really a 2 year deal and a fair chance of a starting place, every body is happy imho
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| Can't say that I'm impressed at all with Radford's re-signing but will it make all the difference to Fielden ?
Now that might make it quite a good deal !!!
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| Quote ="BlackNwhite"Im not sure what radfords is on at all. People seem to have a real beef about players like radford,dowes and yak. Alot of fans seem to dismiss them as second rate forwards as the dont do what james graham does or they are not top tackle breakers. In these times of salery caps players like these are in fact a massive part of the makeup of a squad. When times are hard and yards are hard to come by these guys do stick the hard work in, making carries taking pressure off other forwards. Im happy that he has signed and a bit like tickle, gives us a stability to our team.
I know he has his faults, at times, but so do other players. People talk of the young lads learning from long, fitz and so on. I think alot of the young lads can and will learn alot from what lee does on and off the pitch.'"
Exactly.. he done enough hard, dirty work this year to warrant a contract..
Just as an example put in a last ditch tackle against bradford away!!!...
Hard worker that can take the knocks and glad still with us imo
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