The revolution is nigh!!!!

Sorry Mr everything is rosy, or should i say Frankie Rule

I know not everything is rosey... read my posts over the last 3 weeks, something at the club is rotten I'm just not sure people on here are directing their anger in the right direction.

You left yourself open with talk of a revolution, fact is something needs doing to save our club on the field and it needs doing fast.

How about e-mailing Mr. Rule and asking if the club would recognize an independent body of supporters? If the answer is no all it would be is these forums but without computers!

And some are prepared to try and do something, some just want to criticse

I'm all for doing something .... like I said its our club thats suffering.

Both, either, any

These type of groups in general. Good idea and in theory but it's following it through.

FCVoices is not and has never been a bloody fans action group.

It was set up as laison group between the fans and the club, it has had some success in its endevours. I had the honour of serving with them for some time until I blotched my copy book with the club.

The club will not agree to any fans forum half way through this season, why should it expose itself to the wrath of a few hundred fans. Such a forum would achieve what exactly ?

1) Provide those across the river with a good evenings entertainment

2) Open up wounds within the club that could take years to heal.

3) Finally drive the directors into excepting they should leave.

HISA will be needed fairly soon IMHO as this crisis deepens and the club officials take to the air shelters deep under the KC. Kosh spoke of a seige mentality developing within the club, I think they have been in one for years. They fall out with the media and hide behind KCFM, where they are allowed to control output in exchange for exclusives. They are collectively unsure of what too do next, like rabbits caught in the headlights. They have used the same hackneyed phrases over and over again "cliche bingo" has been re born. This lot could come crashing down if people do not stand back a little and consider that they are a group of people who did after all save the club. They are also the same group of people who lead us too a Cardiff victory, a wembley appearance and a grand final. Common ground has to be sort and the club has too come from behind its self built isolation. Pressure groups can be vehicles for change, thats change not destruction and too many people seem to want destruction , destruction destruction.

I keep telling everyone careful what you wish for you may just get it

No, i didn't.

Excellent post Ian, we have all seen what destruction nearly did to this club once before.

And yes FC Voices have made some good decisions but it was only ever set up as a sounding board for the club under their control, where certain members used what influence they could for what they wanted to happen.

Must be about time for re-elections isn't it? Or have they already done that?

I'd be willing to help out if HISA re-formed but as I have no experience of running such an organisation it would probably need a good half a dozen or so experienced people to keep it focused and representative of the fans.

Well said Ian. I'm all for having a fans group (and i'd participate) but we need to have some perspective on things and have some common agreement on what we want to see happen. If it's "the board sacked" then there is no point in having the said group. If it's along the lines of opening channels of commincation between fans (or fans representitives) and the club to change things for the better then great.

Some, if not all, of the major sporting clubs (football) have fans groups and they work in tandem with the clubs on certain issues, and when needed, challenge the clubs on issues that need such action.

Excellant Post and well said Karen too,

I know I have come late into this discussion , but what is needed is a strong HISA that has credibility and is accepoted by the club.

If there were say 4000 paying members then the club would have to listen.

FC Voices is a communications group that has had some success over the years but it has no madate from its members because it does not have any!

Take for example the Friday night debate. FC Voices could not take sides because half the fans wanted Fridays and half wanted Sundays so there was no clear mandate from the supporters. If however there was a memebership then they could be balleted and those that lost the vote would have to succome to the will of the majority, and get behind the proposal put to the club.

The Brother is spot on here. Who is willing to get the organisation up and running. The time some folks spend on here mischief making, grumbling and slagging everyone in sight off, could be easily enough time to run an Independant Supporters Organisation. So come on we have heard all the arguements and theories behind our current demise now who is going to do something positive about it!!

Wilf - how many members do you think we will need to have a realistic voice?

But would they listen to them direct and have a direct link to the club, or would they have to speak to the club via FC voices and then if that was the case, would the awkward questions get right through that channel of communication.





that will always be a problem, i know from past experience.

i know he has put 4000, but i think that is way too unrealisitic.

Avg fan base of 10k, i would think between 1 & 2k is more realistic.

the problem being is people will ask for such organisation, but its getting them to join that is the problem, some will begrudge paying a pound or whatever, others will just say its not worth it theyll do nothing for me. Even if its free it will be a struglle to build up the numbers

Hutchie

how many members did HISA have ?

was heading towards 1500 iirc

Excellant Points from Karl it is a thankless task as he so well knows. I think that if we are in such a bad state and so many folks are upset, (as we would be led to believe on here) then 4000 is not an unacceptable target. The trouble is folks like to sit behind their computers and complain and yet will not spend that time giving something back, or putting their money where their mouths are.

Any New HIsA arganisation could use all the constitution etc that the current one has, but I know what Karls problems are and I am sure he would agree that it probably needs some new and probably high profile staff at the top and a big membership drive to get the size of mandate it will need.

My point is that if things are as bad as they were back in the late 1990's folks will be clambering to join, if not then it will be harder, but those who think we need the organisation must weigh their own thoughts against the thoughts of the general support and decide if there is enough feeling to make it a goer!!

If they feel there is they should get hold of Hutchie discuss the current situation and a way of remobilising the Group!

How time consuming a job is it? Would it be easier if more people were involved in terms of running it?

More the merrier although i would guess you would have to cap a limit on the committee.

All depends on how involved those running it want to be.

We used to have a monthly meeting of the committee, but then there is also the FC Voices meetings(HISA have a place on the committee lying dormant at the moment), although id presume subject to there agreement that it could be more than one person representing HISA who take it in turns at there meetings, or even two people on there if the organisaton grows.

After that its upto the people how much time they want to dedicate, what roll the Chair & Vice take, time spent building up the membership, promoting it on match days or other events.

And then from thereon if it wants to hold any events - fans forums, race evenings, charity/testimonial events, attendance at club events etc etc

And the occasional bit of media whoring

I have no issue with promoting HISA via Blackandwhites.co.uk etc.

Still have plenty of Car Stickers im sure Karl

HISA will not work, it's whole existence is bankrupt now in the eyes of the current regeime. FCVoices does it's part, but as has been said, it wasnever formed as a fans pressure group.

There would need to be an entirely new organisation, with a written and publshed constitution, set of objectives etc. (and it would need to go beyond the objective of finishing above KR in the league or any such half d ideals). The people concerned would need, genuinely, to have the good of the club at heart as opposed to any self-serving agenda.

If someone wants to try and start such a groupd then I'll hapily get involved, on the proviso that we get written agreement from Kath and all of the other shareholders to meet on a shceduled basis, and for the meetings to allow a public attendance, and for the minutes to be taken by someone independent to both organisations, and published, IN FULL, within 24 hours.

In short, it will never happen.

FC Voices is pointless in my opinion.

We could have 7,500 people that think one thing, but the 6 or so members of FC Voices may disagree so not put our point across.

Regular Fans Forums is what's need.

Beginning, middle and end of season.

That doesn't sound too bad actually. If enough people want to start this I would be happy to be involved.