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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm 'claiming' that commercial lease law offers [isome[/i protection and more than I'd thought. I've also specifically stated that we could still run into problems in the medium and/or long term.
Why is it that people on this board seem to struggle to read what's actually posted?'"
As one of the main culprits maybe you could answer that for us
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| Quote ="JMR"From a Hull FC point of view, I don't think Allam himself is any more of a problem than Pearson, Duffen or Bartlett.
The problem is the ground-share, if or when, Hull City establish themselves in the Premiership.
You would have to be naive in the extreme to not believe that the Premier League juggernaut won't find a way of outlawing ground-sharing eventually...whether that is two, five or ten years from now! Sadly, it will happen one day!
A more pressing problem would-be the effects of a stadium-expansion, and the associated hike in costs that would go with it!
The atmosphere isn't that great now...I shudder to think what it would feel like with 12-13k rattling round in a 40k-seater stadium?
I for one will be hoping that City don't return to the Premiership any time soon, but with Mr Allam's backing, that scenario is far more likely than it was!'"
I'm not losing any sleep, to be honest.
People have been saying for years that the FA would outlaw shared stadiums for Premiership teams. Hasn't happened yet and I don't see how it could.
It any case City are a long way from becoming an established Premiership club. Allam's wealth is considerable but he'd have to get City into massive debt to compete in the top flight.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I think the phrase you were looking for is: "but with Mr Allam's backing, Hull City are less likely to go bust any time soon"
The Allam family's total, estimated wealth is less than the player valuations of any of the top Premiership clubs. Please get some perspective'"
Just think about it, the rent we pay at the KC is equivalent to 1 months wages of the top players
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Just think about it, the rent we pay at the KC is equivalent to 1 months wages of the top players
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2 weeks of that guy at man city
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'm not being pessimistic at all. allam won't shaft us as soon as he gets his hands on the KC, it could be years or maybe never that we encounter problems but there is potential for problems which is what I am saying and you're claiming that a lease will give us good protection.
I once had a watertight lease on a unit which was owned by a company with assets greater than £100m. They told me they wanted me out, I said no and they laughed and said they'd see me in court then. Needless to say I was out within a month. Believe me, you can't win against a landlord with near unlimited financial resources'"
Depends on the term of your lease, if the lease has a one month notice then they can serve NTQ and you cannot do anything about it, FC's lease at the KC is for a lot longer, I don't know the exact notice period, but it's something like 25 years.
Even IF HCC sells the KC to the nutjob, he will still be legally bound by the terms of our lease, in fact, it would be a condition of sale.
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| If the council wanted some money out of the stadium why did the previous encumbants allow a third party to manage the stadium? Surely the profits that have been squirreled away by SMC over the last 9 years would have meant the council would have had a reasonable return and not be in the position to need to sell at any point? Short sighted & incompetent to say the least, it wouldn't have been a Labour council then by any?
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| our original lease agreement was 25 years, with an option for another 25, that options is quite clearly OURS. I've looked into (some of) the legalities and any transfer of ownership COULD NOT affect our lease or our option, or what it costs us, there are also (i believe) three deed of covenenants in place, one on the "public open space", one on the Canegie Library and one on the Fairground, but details are proving hard to come by (without paying a solicitor, which we've no need to do, yet)
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| i thought your lease was 100 years
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| Quote ="arliebird"i thought your lease was 100 years'"
nope, 25 from what I have read.
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| Quote ="Standee"nope, 25 from what I have read.'"
ah right thought it was 100 years with the lease been looked at ect after 25 years
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| Quote ="Standee"our original lease agreement was 25 years, with an option for another 25, that options is quite clearly OURS. I've looked into (some of) the legalities and any transfer of ownership COULD NOT affect our lease or our option, or what it costs us, there are also (i believe) three deed of covenenants in place, one on the "public open space", one on the Canegie Library and one on the Fairground, but details are proving hard to come by (without paying a solicitor, which we've no need to do, yet)'"
When are the rent reviews and are their any limitations on rent increases?
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| Quote ="arliebird"ah right thought it was 100 years with the lease been looked at ect after 25 years'"
from my understanding it's 25 years, and it' reviewed every three years (in terms of what we pay etc.) I can't find any details on limitations of the reviews.
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| Quote ="Standee"from my understanding it's 25 years, and it' reviewed every three years (in terms of what we pay etc.) I can't find any details on limitations of the reviews.'"
ok i wonder if the club are negotiating with the smc about the 7.5k crowd where they gain half after passing that crowd?
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| Quote ="arliebird"ok i wonder if the club are negotiating with the smc about the 7.5k crowd where they gain half after passing that crowd?'"
I doubt it, that was one of the key things we secured when we moved, we can't expect it to be increased in my opinion, the SMC (and the stadium) need to return a profit.
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| Quote ="Standee"I doubt it, that was one of the key things we secured when we moved, we can't expect it to be increased in my opinion, the SMC (and the stadium) need to return a profit.'"
if mr allam does get his hands on the stadium then this is something that could be negoiated hopefully
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| Quote ="arliebird"if mr allam does get his hands on the stadium then this is something that could be negoiated hopefully'"
I doubt he'd negotiate it down, wouldn't be in his interests.
I can't believe some people want this to happen, it would be suicide if that idiot got hold of the stadium, for both clubs.
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| My concern is that he gts the stadium and land and then sells off City and leaves us both to pay extortionate rents. I feel locked gates all over again.
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| Quote ="Standee"I doubt he'd negotiate it down, wouldn't be in his interests.
I can't believe some people want this to happen, it would be suicide if that idiot got hold of the stadium, for both clubs.'"
tbh i dont want him to get the stadium but i also think he generally wants to do well by the city
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| Quote ="arliebird"tbh i dont want him to get the stadium but i also think he generally wants to do well by the city'"
you believe him, that is up to you, I have to question why he's done nothing for 35 years, suddenly buys a football club, and attempts to become apparently benevolent.
He's no Marvell, Holtby or Wilberforce.
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| Quote ="Standee"you believe him, that is up to you, I have to question why he's done nothing for 35 years, suddenly buys a football club, and attempts to become apparently benevolent.
He's no Marvell, Holtby or Wilberforce.'"
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| allam may have no other motive than to leave a legacy for teh people of Hull, which is fine and dandy. Problem for us is that once he buys teh stadium then our home is directly linked to the financial success of the football club and his "sports village". It will be hocked to the lenders and should things go pop we'll likely find ourselves in a difficult situation.
Conversely, when the allam family decide to sell up, then we'll be left with a landlord who likely has no interest in our club.
Neither scenario fills me with much comfort.
The likelihood of a sports facility costing £100m+ in Hull being a financial success is pretty remote IMO
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Am I the only one who seem the irony in this?
A councillor saying to a wealthy person, what have they done for East Hull
What exactly have the council done for East Hull for the last 30 years.
The more amazing thing is, the wealthy person concluding it was a good idea to give a 7 figure sum to a company which services less than 10 % of East Hull and then have the gumption to suggest that he is already helping out Hull FC by allowing us the use of the KC.
All this after an interview on Humberside, where he "didn't want to be seen taking sides"
The man is either stupid or a liar.
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Perhaps the residents of West Hull should be asking the council what THEY have done for West Hull in return for the millions spent on East Park and the Preston Road regeneration?
As for the selling of the KC, I've spoken to a few people who are up in arms about this and have no interest in any of the sporting teams.
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| The way the Allams are going about the whole business tends to rile many people.
[i"If I don't get the KC I will go to Melton and built one there"[/i is hardly helping to create an atmosphere of benevolance with the city fathers or the the general populace. City seem to buying a lot of bargain basement youngsters with a view to improving them over time, not the actions of someone aiming for the Premier division of the Football. To many things surround the whole aspect of the proposed deal as to leave many of us worrying we are being lead, pushed , dragged kicking and screaming to something now one really wants.
I remain confident that this whole thing will end up flat on its face shortly due to the Allams having to make some sort of publically accountable offer for the KC and at that point it hits the buffers. The local rag seem to be hand and glove in league with the Allams at the moment, with Radio Humberside also alighning itself neatly behind it. This does seem to give a head of steam to a mounting campaign to seel quickly and cheaply to the Allams.
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