whats the point pulling Houghton off and bringing Brown back on when we have Smith on the bench

Plenty of effort but poor defence and a non existent attack

Proud of the effort and another step forward.

2 daft penalties in the second half led to their 2 tries.

Feels like we play without a 9 because we just have no threat coming from the position.

Can’t quote but go on then bonend…what do we do…you say don’t bring in loan signings but we need a 7…so who do we go with…as for Pele…what’s the hype?

Can't fault the effort, we're just not very good is the unfortunate truth.

We really need to try someone else at 9. Problem is our other 9 is playing in the halves.

Charles and Martin are gonna be top class. Good to see Trueman back and Briscoe was very good. Aydin works hard. Why do we not give the ball to Pele, he's there, running on to the ball and give it to someone else!

The amount of tries we concede on the Lane and Sutcliffe edge is concerning, they always jam in and leave Martin on his own

Defence better apart from the periods either side of half time when Pele and brown came on for Sao and ese ese. Attack absolutely woeful again though, hoping it improves with the return of Trueman.

Positives - thought briscoe was solid, a much safer wing option than McIntosh, walker was great at fullback, Martin looked dangerous at times, ese ese and Sao had a real dig.

Negatives - cam Scott offered very little, I didn't realise he was playing till about 30 mins in, Okunbor can't do much worse there surely? Whilst he has potential, Pele needs to work on his timing of runs, defence and cutting out silly things like running behind his own man and giving away a penalty. Think Grix took the wrong half of at half time too, Charles should've gone off to have a break, too many games at once isn't good for his development. Still giving away penalties / conceding at silly points in the game, we could have gone in either 6-6 or just at 6-0, but instead we went in at 12-0, definitely an area to work on

Burgess has really spit his dummy out about this interchange business. Seems a bit odd to me.

Burgess and Myler in the tunnel was the best collision of the night

Sutcliffe is a weak link and not a great centre to have when you have a young inexperienced wing.Tindall also has struggled playing off Sutcliffe
Centre along with the second row and halfback is a priority for next season.
The team currently has no shape and Houghton at nine offers no direction or attack so time for a change here to see what Smith/Balmforth or even Moy can do

Sutcliffe plays the game like a second rower rather than a centre. Can't remember the last time I saw him put a winger away down the side line.
I actually think he'd do a better job at second row than Cam Scott. He is willing to take a lot of carries and does make good metres. His defensive decisions as a centre are poor and he leaves Martin exposed a lot, but to be fair, most of the times he jams in its normally because his second rower has done the same so he goes to fill that spot.

Oooh Bully Burgess (aliterative insult just for boring bonaire) spitting his dummy out.

Burgess made himself look a right sausage. He should keep his own house in order then this wouldn't happen.

The confrontation with Myler was pathetic

Houghton regularly chooses the wrong option. That pass behind everyone in the first half was abysmal

Why didn't we move smith to hooker at half time? Had to be worth a try.

As for burgess he was pathetic. You feck up, take it on the chin and don't embarrass yourself by begging the opposition to give away their advantage.

As for player welfare, I'm guessing he wasn't telling his 17 + stone forwards to run at a young kid like Jack Charles all night?

I'm sure if saints were stupid enough to do the same in the cc semi he'd be happy to lose the advantage, we'll I guess he'd have to now after his public dummy spit

Embarrassing from Burgess. It wasn't a friendly or lads playing on a Saturday morning. His club screwed up, why should Hull give up an advantage?

As for barging into Myler, well he has a bit of history of that sort of thing hasn't he?

He also has a worse rap sheet than Myler off the field, but somehow people forget about that.

I wonder why Balmforth doesn’t get much of a look in - is it his defence? Pele needs to be used more. Certainly another centre/second row would be a useful addition we do leak points on our left. Lost a bit of discipline tonight but compared to early season much better. I really like Herman E. At least we looked like a proper rl team and capable of improvement - defence is less leaky but need more attacking options. I was generally more happy last night. A win next week is important

Read posters comments about the hooking position.
Scott Lane Cator in the back row is without doubt the smallest in Sl.
Halfback Charles & Smith.
There’s no wonder we get dominated every game. Houghton or Balmforth at 9 wouldn’t make much difference when teams are running over the top of us.
I’m not fussed on Jack brown or George king either.
We’ve made a statement signing in Asiata
Maybe I’m been naive but I don’t think he’d have signed if he hadnt been assured other quality players are coming in..

One of the things that bugs me with Houghton, that he did on a couple of occasions last night, is that when he scoots he picks up the first 10 metres then randomly turns 90 degrees and starts running sideways, then passes the ball 10 metres back again to the first receiver. That means we're right back at the advantage line anyway, and lost any momentum Houghton gained from his initial scoot.
He's lost all the speed to be able to break through behind the ruck but he's still better off just taking the tackle and getting a quick play the ball while the defence is still retreating.
I know you can argue that the rest of the team should be pushing up with him (and yes, they should) but sometimes they're not, so don't try and force the pass to somebody, just take the metres he's already earned and play the ball.

If what I'm seeing is correct, Pele is playing again today for the reserves?
Obviously trying to hammer some fitness into him if so.

Just seen that, thought it was a typo? He should be absolutely tearing reserves teams to pieces if he is actually playing. Good to see Armstrong back playing too

7 tackles,4 carries for 30 meters. I’m sure he’s got energy left