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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"not on your xmas card list then
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I dont send them. Not to anyone. Big waste of money, I would rather send a text to someone.
But not Cullen, I deleted his number because he kept sending me gay pictures
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"you know it makes me spew when i hear folk banging on about Richs personality because he is actually a cracking fella to speak to and very friendly and open to all that care to try... he doesnt go on TV as a pundit because he isnt a media whore despite numerous requests from Sky to do so, its just not his thing at all by his choice
hey when were discussing personalities, jesus H Christ lets talk about tony smith, he makes paint flake hes that boring yet some hail him as Brian FFS, I sat at the same table as smith one wednesday night as a function and I can tell you we all lost the will to live with him ...
I think its time some on here got real and attack his team and job but not the person individually as thats just wrong, because he is actually a really nice fella'"
I have said it myself, the fact Rich Agar would rather concentrate on doing his job than earning a brown envelope with £500 in it for doing a SKY game is a credit to him.
He does not wanna do tv, so what. Terry Matterson hates it too and very rarely does it for the same reason.
Not heard a guy speak so highly of Hull as a place, Hull as a club and the fans as Agar for a long time. I dont get the hatred towards him.
He is not the one who is ruining the club.
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Not heard a guy speak so highly of Hull as a place, Hull as a club and the fans as Agar for a long time. I dont get the hatred towards him.
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The vast, vast majority of people I speak to don't hate Agar as a person. In fact, I've not heard a single person who has met him say he isn't a top bloke. But being someone it would be nice to have a pint with doesn't make you suitable for the job of coaching a SL side. I think most of the personal comments about him on here, whilst inexcusable, are a direct result of the frustration many feel that he's still in a job after making such an unequivocal hash of it.
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| Quote ="JMSports_Ltd"I have said it myself, the fact Rich Agar would rather concentrate on doing his job than earning a brown envelope with £500 in it for doing a SKY game is a credit to him.
He does not wanna do tv, so what. Terry Matterson hates it too and very rarely does it for the same reason.
[uNot heard a guy speak so highly of Hull as a place, Hull as a club and the fans as Agar for a long time. I dont get the hatred towards him.[/u
He is not the one who is ruining the club.'"
Its a Hull thing.. that desperate need to blame someone.... remember the past scapegoats
Rich is a decent fella, who puts in 6 days a week to help his team, if he isnt at training he is watching VT and so on and so forth, I can tell you one thing that is for sure, Rich will never walk of his own accord because he is a fighter and all this hatred towards him will simply make him work harder to prove you all wrong !!
which incidentally i think he will, there are a few changes to the team again at the end of this term which will help again , as always its a build on build situation...
but for those keyboard warriors who think he is an empty head, go along to a training session and watch... or better still tell him to his face because i can guarantee he will not flare up but will talk to you for as long as it takes to show you he is trying very hard indeed...
but hating the man himself is ridiculous because how can you "hate" someone you dont even know???
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| Quote ="Rock God X"But they [ishouldn't[/i be hard to match. And sixth [ishouldn't[/i be viewed as a good season. Not for a club with the fan base, merchandising revenues, sponsorship and salary cap space that Hull have. We have exactly the same amount of money to spend on players that Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Wire have.
I could understand this viewpoint if we were still at the Boulevard getting average gates of 7,000 and selling a thousand replica shirts a season. But we're not. Off the field, we're pretty big time.
As I said, we have the cash. We just use it really badly. Unless you're suggesting that spending, say, an extra £100,000 a season on a better coach would cause us to go into financial meltdown. We both know that a sniff of success would bring an increase in gates that would soon wipe that £100,000 off the balance sheet.
They don't need to change their fundamental strategy, merely employ a top coach and let him do his job.'"
Spending an extra £100k on a coach doesn't guarantee an improvement. And you've had a sniff of success - more than a CC win and GF appearance, increases in crowds look to have come on the back the move to the KC and the arrival in SL of the KuH derby. Even if you could get up to 13/14k consistently - did we ever establish how your deal with the SMC is structured?
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"you know it makes me spew when i hear folk banging on about Richs personality because he is actually a cracking fella to speak to and very friendly and open to all that care to try... he doesnt go on TV as a pundit because he isnt a media whore despite numerous requests from Sky to do so, its just not his thing at all by his choice
hey when were discussing personalities, jesus H Christ lets talk about tony smith, he makes paint flake hes that boring yet some hail him as Brian FFS, I sat at the same table as smith one wednesday night as a function and I can tell you we all lost the will to live with him ...
I think its time some on here got real and attack his team and job but not the person individually as thats just wrong, because he is actually a really nice fella'"
I don't think anyone (even on this forum) is shallow enough to attack his personality. if they are then i think they are in the minority. as far as i'm concerned, in the words of don corleone, it is just business and not personal. i'm sure you're right, agar is a good bloke who has good intentions but i think he has had a fair shot at hull fc and proved he is not up to the job.
FWIW if we had been playing more entertaining or 'attractive' rugby then i think people may not have been so hard on him
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The vast, vast majority of people I speak to don't hate Agar as a person. In fact, I've not heard a single person who has met him say he isn't a top bloke. But being someone it would be nice to have a pint with doesn't make you suitable for the job of coaching a SL side. [uI think most of the personal comments about him on here, whilst inexcusable, are a direct result of the frustration many feel[/u that he's still in a job after making such an unequivocal hash of it.'"
agreed and needing somewhere to vent their upset, which i understand also..
Thankfully the faithful who have seen much worse than this are usually a bit more savvy and can see with all the talent we have in the squad its just a matter of time till someone gets a real tubbing by FC
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| Quote ="monkeyshoes"I don't think anyone (even on this forum) is shallow enough to attack his personality. if they are then i think they are in the minority. as far as i'm concerned, in the words of don corleone, it is just business and not personal. i'm sure you're right, agar is a good bloke who has good intentions but i think he has had a fair shot at hull fc and proved he is not up to the job.
FWIW if we had been playing more entertaining or 'attractive' rugby then i think people may not have been so hard on him'"
you can only go sideways when your going forwards mate!!!
and that is what is done in practice each and every week.... he doesnt do passing drills every day!
it will come , keep the faith its so close...
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"
Thankfully the faithful who have seen much worse than this are usually a bit more savvy and can see with all the talent we have in the squad its just a matter of time till someone gets a real tubbing by FC'"
FFS. Oldham, maybe.
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| Quote ="monkeyshoes"I don't think anyone (even on this forum) is shallow enough to attack his personality. if they are then i think they are in the minority. as far as i'm concerned, in the words of don corleone, it is just business and not personal. i'm sure you're right, agar is a good bloke who has good intentions but i think he has had a fair shot at hull fc and proved he is not up to the job.
FWIW if we had been playing more entertaining or 'attractive' rugby then i think people may not have been so hard on him'"
Nobody is attacking him, just questioning how much of a motivator he is and questioning his professionalism, which after the performance of the team under him is understandable.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Spending an extra £100k on a coach doesn't guarantee an improvement. And you've had a sniff of success - more than a CC win and GF appearance, increases in crowds look to have come on the back the move to the KC and the arrival in SL of the KuH derby. Even if you could get up to 13/14k consistently - did we ever establish how your deal with the SMC is structured?'"
When I say a sniff of success, I mean being able to compete consistently with the likes of Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Warrington. For a club of our size, it's the least we can expect. We have no divine right to win anything, but a club of our size should be realistic contenders for everything. I agree that spending an extra £100k on coach doesn't guarantee success, but not spending it guarantees failure.
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"agreed and needing somewhere to vent their upset, which i understand also..
Thankfully the faithful who have seen much worse than this are usually a bit more savvy and can see with all the talent we have in the squad its just a matter of time till someone gets a real tubbing by FC'"
I dont think people actually hate Agar.Its his inept coaching that is dragging this once great club too new depths that we hate.
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| Quote ="painterman"I dont think people actually hate Agar.Its his inept coaching that is dragging this once great club too new depths that we hate.'"
But thats why i said you should come to watch the lads train.. you would see as both a motorvator and a coach he is very switched on ....
as i just said to someone on IM, you would expect the core skill of international players to be the fact thay can pass , catch a ball without dropping it and drive in without dropping it, all of which went west last week...
no matter how good a coach you are , passing drills are not expected to be your game build up
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FFS. Oldham, maybe.'"
maybe so, does it matter who it is as long as the guys get to blow some carbon off their pipes on someone???
if we had put 50 past wakey this chat wouldnt be happening, so it doesnt matter who gets it really but it will come..
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"But thats why i said you should come to watch the lads train.. you would see as both a motorvator and a coach he is very switched on ....
as i just said to someone on IM, you would expect the core skill of international players to be the fact thay can pass , catch a ball without dropping it and drive in without dropping it, all of which went west last week...
no matter how good a coach you are , passing drills are not expected to be your game build up'"
And when it matters on "matchdays" theres a coach on the opposite bench whos always one step ahead of Agar.
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| ICECREAMMAN - Answer me these 2 questions:
1. Do you honestly, hand on heart, believe that Agar would be here if relegation existed in SL?
2. Again, honestly do you think any SL club would go for Agar's signature if he were a free agent?
My answer to both by the way is............ NO!
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| Quote ="GM1"ICECREAMMAN - Answer me these 2 questions:
1. Do you honestly, hand on heart, believe that Agar would be here if relegation existed in SL?
2. Again, honestly do you think any SL club would go for Agar's signature if he were a free agent?
My answer to both by the way is............ NO!'"
3.If you werent employed by the club .Would you pay £25 to watch the rugby Agar is serving up
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| The longer he stays, the more people will drift away, possibly never to return.
Everyone has made their mind up about Agar now and the odd win like Crusaders or the odd decent performance like Wigan is not going to change anyones opinion.
The club is supposed to be run as a business so lets have the correct business decision as soon as possible.
Relieve Agar of his duties, NOW.
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| Quote ="GM1"ICECREAMMAN - Answer me these 2 questions:
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My answer to both by the way is............ NO!'"
i know for 1000%certain yes mate!!!
he was sounded out only 12 mths ago or so for a SL job !!!!
said not interested i have a contract already !!!
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"i know for 1000%certain yes mate!!!
he was sounded out only 12 mths ago or so for a SL job !!!!
said not interested i have a contract already !!!'"
Didnt know Fantasy Island RL were up for a franchise
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| Quote ="painterman"3.If you werent employed by the club
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i would not be in the UK mate
dont stay here for the weather thats for sure
Like has been said today, if only we could get the training paddock on to the park we would be top three, but hey thats how pro sport goes sometimes, trough and bows mate
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"maybe so, does it matter who it is as long as the guys get to blow some carbon off their pipes on someone???'"
Does it matter? Only if you think that putting a big score on a lower division team means the sum total of feck all if you can't beat the sides in your own division. So, yes, then.
Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"if we had put 50 past wakey this chat wouldnt be happening, so it doesnt matter who gets it really but it will come..'"
Can't wait. I'll look forward to us putting 50 on Oldham, then getting roundly bummed by the next Super League side we face.
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"seems you dont know a lot laddie
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Dont patronise me pal.At least i know the the so called rugby your mate is serving up is starting to drain the enthusiasm out of a majority of FC fans.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Does it matter? Only if you think that putting a big score on a lower division team means the sum total of feck all if you can't beat the sides in your own division. So, yes, then.
Can't wait. I'll look forward to us putting 50 on Oldham, then getting roundly bummed by the next Super League side we face.'"
thing is i didnt say anywhere we would put 50 on oldham, i doubt we will as this is Oldhams cup final to them however my point is we are due a good win and when it comes we will be bwtter fo for it regardless of who its against!!!
In reality we havent been bummed by anyone anyway yet have we??
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