Thinking of Elima, he's a beter prop then Aspinwall and O'Carroll i'd say so for instance if we went with Lynch, NRL prop, Elima, Watts/O'carroll and Bowden that wouldn't be so bad.

With regards to Turner your spot on, he's gone from 'must keep' to 'must offload' in the space of a few games.

You can count on one hand the number of decent games he's had for us, most of them came at the beginning of this season.

Unfortunately for Saints I think they've got rid of Shenton only to make the same mistake with Turner, both have flattered to deceive, received big contracts and will ultimately disappoint at a top club.

The game on Sunday summed him up for me, no desire when the chips are down and thus becomes a liability when you need him to step up most.

Ellis is better than Manu and Arundel is as good as Turner. Those are the only confirmed departures/arrivals, as far as I'm aware. I think looking at an incomplete picture is counter-productive, anyway. Once the club issue a statement saying that the recruitment is completed for 2013, I'll start getting worried if it's necessary to do so. I think in the meantime, I think we have to allow McRae and Gentle to do their jobs and hope/believe that they'll sign the very best players available to them in the positions we need to improve.

Elima is by no means a bad player, I think it just depends how Gentle sees him fitting in. If indeed there's any truth in the rumour at all.

www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html i know they are only rumours ,but some of the names being linked dont match what was being stated here...i live in hope.

www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html i know they are only rumours ,but some of the names being linked dont match what was being stated here...i live in hope.

im my opiion, when AP took charge i thought we would be signing top draw players... he stated the siging of ellis was just the start. and ellis is a great siging dont get me wrong, but since then weve signed jay pitts, who couldnt get in leeds team, joe arundel who lets be fair hasnt really set the world alight this year, maybe through injury i dont know....
and we have lost manu,turner, possibly moa and maybe tickle if rumour about widnes is correct... these are all first choice players, ones of which will be hard to replace especially manu.... not exactly setting the world alight in player recruitment in my opinion...from the outset, we need quality to add to the quality we already have, but weve lost serious quality in manu and thats a fact... i dont think mcrae or gentle ever saw him leaving if im honest and im sure it was a massive blow to both when he stated his intetions same as turner....
to move on we need to be siging players that would get into wigans,sts,wire first team.... and currently we arnet, hence why we cant compete for trophys.... how waire are under the salary cap is beyond me, something in which the RL have to have a seriuos look at, there staring 13 is near-on full interantional standard, which is amazing if were all supposed to be singing of the same song sheet etc, if it is all above board then the money people at teams such as ourselves need to have a proper reality check and ask why they can get the players of the calibre of monoghan x2 , morley,atkins,hodgeson etc etc and we have infirior players...

Spot on!!
Dont know what is going on, what people are saying that Ellis is a replacement for Manu, is rubbish, he was NEVER meant as a replacement, linked now with Elima, what a joke, if that is the level of player we are looking at then you can kiss goodbye of ever competing with the like of Wigan and Wire,

Fui Fui Moi Moi rumoured to be interesting Catalans - should we be interested to replace Moa?

You do know that Wigan are losing Carmont, Finch, Leuluai, Lima and who are they being linked with!? That's right - Matty Smith. The quanlity of player will decrease in SL next year.

Cant beleive you are slagging off the club regards recruitment based on ub-substantiated rumours

Mertin signed new deal couple months ago

so your happy with the clubs recruitment / retention so far for next season??

Merrin i meant

Turner - happy he has left
Arundel - happy he has arrived
Ellis - ecstatic that he has signed
Manu - disapointed that he has gone but we have had him during his 'peak' years

Overall - quite happy

no, the guy is finished, this is my problem, we lose a top player in moa, with his best years ahead of him and sign moi moi who's well past his best... the mind boggles

Hardly the club's fault that he wants to be nearer his family though is it?? and we havent signed moi moi, not even linked with him so why slag the club? Until a name is announced it is all just a load of guessing games

So by that logic somebody else has had Ellis's peak years then

I agree with this, lets wait and see what standard of signings we get and enjoy whats left of this season. PG has always stated it's a "work in progress" and Adam has said we will get this club back up to where it should be, I'm not gonna argue with either of them.

You do realise it hasn't been confirmed Moa is leaving don't you? (I know its highly likely that he will btw) We also haven't signed MoiMoi so you should calm down

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Since you are so disgraced by the RUMOURED signings who would you suggest we bring in? Realistic targets preferably.

im GUESSING we havent got a replacement for manu anywhere near the quality of willie... and we havent got a recognised fullback for next year either,,,just guessing tho.........

Ellis!!!???

Yeah but dont forget we have had his best years, he is past it, thats why Saints have signed him

I can't believe we haven't finsihed our recruitment yet. I mean its June now we only have 8 more months till the start of next season. Not enough time IMO.

Ellis Was NEVER meant as a replacement for Manu FFS

it seems quite blatently that players are available wether under contract or not in superleague, brown, lynch etc etc have been bought out there current deals...
moa is a dead cert leaver and everyone knows it......
we need established quality players to be brought in..... id say chase at 6, kopzack maybe at prop, ... still beleive we need a quality centre, shenton would have been a solid target if funds were available as he's better than turner and arundel.... brent webb at full back maybe..... although webb could be beyond his best days,

thanks you

ellis was supposed to be with manu in the second row!!

Fair enough but we have no idea whats going to happen recruitment wise in the next few months, we may well buy a few players out of their contracts.

As for the players mentioned
Chase - A good player but not worth the amount Cas would want for him - If its true that they have turned down £300k from Warrington
Kopczak - A decent shout would hope we are in for him if theres any chance of him leaving.
Shenton - Thought he was a good player at Cas but hasn't really shown it for Saints + not worth the wage he would want
Webb - No thanks.