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| Washbrook and Lee didnt work at HB last season, why do people think it will work this year?
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| Drop our most proven try scorer in favour of someone who gets no where near Leeds first team. Plus no doubt our brilliant ball handling captain will keep his place at Loose Forward.
Unbelievable! Don't know why I'm going.
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| I'd go with
1 Thorman
2 Calderwood
3 Whiting
4 Yeaman
5 Broughton
6 R.Horne
7 Berrigan
8 Dowes
9 Lee
10 Cusack
11 Radford
12 Tickle
13 Washbrook
14 Thackray
15 Manu
16 Maloney
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| Quote ="Dave K."Washbrook and Lee didnt work at HB last season, why do people think it will work this year?'"
It won't. Washbrook is the ball handling loose forward that Radford so clearly isn't, and Lee has played his best rugby this season at 9 or in the back row. Either way, he's certainly not a halfback.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Washbrook and Lee didnt work at HB last season, why do people think it will work this year?'"
Desperation.
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| 1 Thorman
2 Calderwood
3 Whiting
4 Yeaman
5 Broughton
6 R Horne
7 Berrigan
8 Dowes
9 Lee
10 Thackarey
11 Tickle
12 Radford
13 Washbrook
14 Cusack
15 Houghton
16 Manu
17 Burnett / Maloney
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| Quote ="Dave K."Washbrook and Lee didnt work at HB last season, why do people think it will work this year?'"
It won't
One thing we have learnt so far this season is that Lee looks more at home at loose forward than at scrum half
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| 1. Thorman
2. Calderwood
3. Whiting
4. Yeaman
5. G. Horne
6. R. Horne
7. Berrigan
8. Dowes
9. Houghton
10. Thackray
11. Radford
12. Tickle
13. Washbrook
14. Lee
15. Maloney
16. Manu
17. Cusack
Spell Manu in the second row. Spell Lee with Washy/Houghton/Berro if needed. Props spell when needed.
Side still looks terrible, but can't be any worse than the rudders rubbish we've had all year anyway.
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| 2 points that I find amazing from reading this thread.
1. What's all this talk of Berrigan, he's walked out remember.
2. Motu had at the most 3 bad games at full back and has never lived it down despite numerous good games there, Hall continually fecks up and yet people on here defend him.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Washbrook and Lee didnt work at HB last season, why do people think it will work this year?'"
It won't "work" but it might stop Salfords half backs from working and that together with stopping their big forwards is key if the cup game is anything to go by. Let's face it , it's going to be a grind and regrettably our best chance is to stop them and then look to Manu , Horne , Whiting and Calderwood to create something wider out on the back of some repeat sets. Can't see it being pretty and we have to stop Smith and Myler.
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| Quote ="TKOAH"2 points that I find amazing from reading this thread.
1. What's all this talk of Berrigan, he's walked out remember.
2. Motu had at the most 3 bad games at full back and has never lived it down despite numerous good games there, Hall continually fecks up and yet people on here defend him.
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Not defending Hall but my point is why the hell would we play a Leeds youngster in front of one of our own. Fine Hall at fullbackis not working out in recent weeks so put him on the wing, don't srop him completely and bring in a Leeds youngster.
Sums up everything that is wrong with our club at the minute, Agar must be fooking clueless.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Not defending Hall but my point is why the hell would we play a Leeds youngster in front of one of our own. Fine Hall at fullbackis not working out in recent weeks so put him on the wing, don't srop him completely and bring in a Leeds youngster.
Sums up everything that is wrong with our club at the minute, Agar must be fooking clueless.'"
thats kath for ya though. gary had a quick word in bed after wakefield game
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I get what your saying and i agree to a extent however the standard of the Reserve Grade level is so bad Hall wont get anything out of it.
The thing which annoys me reagarding Hall is that there must be something personal between Agar and Hall as any chance of having a sly dig regarding Hall, Agar seems to take it IMO.'"
I agree that Hall tends to be the only player who gets dropped etc for having a bad game but personally I think he deserves dropping after his recent displays. I'm a fan of Hall's but his attacking play is not worth the number of errors he is making in crucial areas of the pitch. Personally I would have played him on the wing but I dont think its the major travesty that some people are making out.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I agree that Hall tends to be the only player who gets dropped etc for having a bad game but personally I think he deserves dropping after his recent displays. I'm a fan of Hall's but his attacking play is not worth the number of errors he is making in crucial areas of the pitch. Personally I would have played him on the wing but I dont think its the major travesty that some people are making out.'"
Hall's a confidence player, and at the moment his confidence is non-existent. It's always difficult at that point to decide whether it's better to drop him while he gets his head together or keep him in the squad and see if he can play through it.
I'd have liked to have seen him in at centre or wing where he has more experience and may feel more comfortable, but maybe he's in such a state that he's better off with some time out.
I can't help but feel that we've ruined Hall TBH. I hope I'm wrong.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I agree that Hall tends to be the only player who gets dropped etc for having a bad game but personally I think he deserves dropping after his recent displays. I'm a fan of Hall's but his attacking play is not worth the number of errors he is making in crucial areas of the pitch. Personally I would have played him on the wing but I dont think its the major travesty that some people are making out.'"
Totally agree with that he's still got potential but is error prone and has cost us tries recently. Not the only one of course but he's been out of position and suffering. The whole Reardon episode was an attempt to get him out of the firing line and reduce his exposure at FB I'm sure. What he should be doing is seriously threatening both the current centres who have also been poor and have cost us tries with shoddy defensive work. I would like to see Hall in at centre very soon if Yeaman and Horne can't improve. Whiting should be played at loose forward immediately and not in the centre.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Washbrook and Lee didnt work at HB last season, why do people think it will work this year?'"
Cos theyve got it in for Thorman?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Cos theyve got it in for Thorman?'"
Possibly because he is beyond useless?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Possibly because he is beyond useless?'"
But he is still better than Lee at halfback.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Not defending Hall but my point is why the hell would we play a Leeds youngster in front of one of our own. Fine Hall at fullbackis not working out in recent weeks so put him on the wing, don't srop him completely and bring in a Leeds youngster.
Sums up everything that is wrong with our club at the minute, Agar must be fooking clueless.'"
Agreed completely, an idiotic decision
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| Quote ="Dave K."But he is still better than Lee at halfback.'"
Don't agree.
Without going over old ground, Lee has a much better all round skillset than Thorman. The only area Thorman is better in is that he has a sound kicking game. Hull currently suffer from inept coaches who stick to boring percentage rugby and don't allow players to be off the cuff or expansive. Lee was one of its first victims.
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| in his younger days,he was a good scrum half,but i'm afraid he has been playing under jon sharp for too long,and this has made him into a boring,edgeless scrum half.he plays to the tactics given to him,short ball and let the forwards take it up(or in recent times nowhere!!!).maybe a change of coach and tactics,will bring the best out of him.
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| Quote ="Dave K."But he is still better than Lee at halfback.'"
On this seasons evidence I totally disagree.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"On this seasons evidence I totally disagree.'"
Lee hasnt played halfback this season.
Thorman has created more this season than Tommy has ever done, Thorman kicking game is far better than lee's.
Lee is too slow with his decsion making and too big to play 7, his future should be in the pack, otherwise he will be playing NL in a couple of years.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Don't agree.
Without going over old ground, Lee has a much better all round skillset than Thorman. The only area Thorman is better in is that he has a sound kicking game. Hull currently suffer from inept coaches who stick to boring percentage rugby and don't allow players to be off the cuff or expansive. Lee was one of its first victims.'"
I don't agree to this theory about Lee being stifled. To an extent maybe but he showed glimspes of real class now and again at 7. So when did produce these moments was it the coach giving him the nod or was he disobeying orders. I can't imagine a coach saying don't be creative to his SH.
The biggest problem is lazy players not pushing on every play, that would make our SH's job much easier but I can't see it changing with our playing personel.
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