Indeed. Glad you agree.

That's great.

Thanks.

I think a final at least. Preferably the grand final. With the pack we have the halves and the backs we have one of the best squads in the league. Whether that can turn into one of the best teams in the league, is a completely different question.

The expericence the fringe players have got over the past few years, and the so called bad influences now gone. Hopefully the boys will get their heads down and just worry about the task in hand and get some more silverware at the KC Stadium.

As for Hull KR fans they can think what they want. I couldn't give a flying . What they think. Because you know what will happen. As soon as the tide turns, they will be banging on about 10-5. But really what have they won in the super league era??? A huge amount of debt and not a trophy in sight. Unless you count the NL or Northern Rail Cup.

These pre-season posturing threads are a recipe for disaster, remember, breeding outwith your family group is seen as an achievement in the East!

Im not trying to be pessimistic but have you seen the way some other teams have strengthened ?
I cant understand how you can say we should be 'ATLEAST' making a final. Would be great but hardly a shoe in !!

Im not saying it is a shoe in... but staying fit. We should be making a final.

Saints, Leeds, Warrington and Wigan have better sides.

Any side still picking Whiting/Radford/Dowes needs an injection of ability still.

I may be wrong (and I hope I am), but I don't share the faith of a top 4 finish next season.

I wouldn't pick any of them three anyway... Good fringe players. But wouldn't get in my team but im not the gaffer!

Huddersfield, Catalans and Bradford too have great teams. Most have strengthened very well !

Catalans will have a problem now that Bird has signed, they need to get someone else in (IMHO), to be honest their is really only Crusaders, Salford, Wakefield and Rovers who haven't recruited well this time around, and that's largely down to finance and uncertainty about franchises beyond 2011.

Losing Bird is a big loss and would be to any team, Im not sure if they have anyone lined up or coming through the ranks but I would imagine Mogg will step into the halves to partner Bosc, still a very competent half back pairing.

Not so sure Rovers belong in your last set of comments but Im sure we could argue all day over it lol

I would say that you would come out of that bracket if Clinton gets his visa. Depends also on how Ratu, Hodgson and Cook go. All have potential but then so did Tommy Lee.

I think Cook has shown he can be far better than his last 2 seasons form, he aint the only player who has really suffered since McNamara has taken control, in fact only really Burgess has progressed under his coaching(I think lol).

Your right possibly about Ratu and Hodgson but both have joined after having very good seasons in the reserves.

Oh Im sure Rovers will be there or there abouts, they certainly arent gonna be a push over.
On paper though I believe both our teams look weaker than at least 7 of the rest !

Looks like we will be fighting our for position 8 then !!!!

Thats very true. Not seen enough of Ratu to form an opinion to be honest. Hodgson will be a good player no question. Cook is the only one I dont rate, reminds me of Mills.

There are a few Rovers fans who I know who dont rate Clinton too but thats another story !!!

Clinton is similar to O'Meley in that he hasn't fired for a couple of seasons. On their day thought they will be amongst the best props in the division.

Are you sure your thinking of the right Cook(I cant think of any other)?

Really???

You're an idiot. Truly.

Where would you play Whiting if we have a fully fit squad?

I was going to ask the same but I thought maybe this place was full of Whiting lovers !?!?!

Aye, maybe its just me. You watch, he'll have stormers in both the derbies now

same question gets asked every year for the last 5 years, yet hes racked up 100 or so games

It's a divided camp on Whiting, some people really do rate the guy, I don't, he's done nothing in the last two seasons to make me think otherwise, a steady and hardworking player, nothing more.