He needs to play. If Barron isn’t fit then we are really struggling for options in the outside backs.

Reading the statement whilst they may have said the red card was wrong (which they couldn't have said anything else) they haven't really admitted to anything or held their hands up & admitted to any accountability they're simply using the term 'a clarification issue' as a pathetic excuse for incompetence and once again hiding behind a weak mealy mouthed statement.

I'd like to think Carlos will be back but just get a feeling he won't be.

So this now would be my hopeful team.


Walker

Barron
Mcintosh
Okunbor
Martin

Hoy
Smith

Ashworth
N Brown
J Brown

Lane
Staveley
Sao


Gardiner
Houghton or Balmforth
Tuimevave or Litten
Severs or Laidlow

Smith said round 3/4 so given his injury record I doubt it will be this week, but I’d like to think he puts his hand up if he’s close to being fit.

Long time reader of this forum but don't post. However regarding the Sutcliffe incident. I was watching the Ireland/wales game (I don't watch union often). There was a ruck formed and the ref was stood at the side. One of the forwards Irish/Welsh (cant remember) grabbed his arm and moved him out of the way. Nothing was mentioned by the commentators. If the ref is in the way of play surely its there problem.

It would seem in RL that the RFL hold the players punishable and accountable for everything that happens on the pitch and the officials nothing whatsoever.

I sort of get why Sutcliffe has been banned, but when you watch closely the ref is running into his line. If the Wire player passes to his right Sutcliffe would've had a fighting chance of getting to them. Sutcliffe would have to anticipate this. Its an accidental coming together so two games is very harsh. would like to see them appeal.

That’s the same as my thoughts, it such poor positioning and understanding of not just the play but the game by Griffith and for me just typifies and another example of the poor standard of officiating. Had Warrington moved the ball along the right then they would have gone in unopposed with Griffith effectively running as a blocker being in the attacking line.

I’d hope we would appeal this not least for the fact we are owed a big decision by the RFL and also to make a bloody stand and further highlight the incompetence. Just don’t think Smith has the balls to do it though and will no doubt once again say it is what it is.

This is the point I was trying to make. The union ref accepted he was in the wrong place, and then moved further away. If that was league the player would have been banned.

If Houghton still out reckon for Sunday it’ll be something along the lines of

Walker
Martin
Okunbor
McIntosh
Barron
Smith
Hoy
Ashworth
N Brown
J Brown
Staveley
Sao
Lane

Balmforth
Gardiner
Laidlaw/Diakhate
Severs

If Houghton cleared to play I’d possibly be tempted to have him or Nu at 13 and go with Ligi in front row.

Okunbor more likely to be on the wing than centre, it looks like he's never played centre in his career, either first grade or reserve grade.

Im not saying we would have won last Friday but we might have had we not run out of steam short handed. But once Brown had gone we were never going to win. That can't be undone but I've read twice now that the referee was advised by the 'Bunker', so I agree there should be a deal of accountability admitted to, but as usual they weasel out of it and admit nothing. Most people in the game darn't say anything for fear of repercussions. As the games biggest assets I think the players deserve a say in all this, so I for one welcome them getting organised into some sort of structure to represent their interests. For too long year on year season on season the RFL have blighted our game with strange and sometimes ridiculous directives (that deflect from all the great attributes to our game out on the pitch), of which this is just the latest.

Dont agree with what you say
seen the incident,re run several times.Problem was the ref seemed faster than Sutcliffe when following the attack and in reality when running back Sutcliffe should have had the pace to get in front of him.
Ran into him for no reason
Its just another Hull FC player showing indicipline

Anyone else worried that London could win on Sunday?

Not sure I agree, having watched it plenty of times now it look to me as though Griffith stumbles either by loss of his footing in the very wet surface or when you watch his movement and right leg it looks to me that he moves to the right and actually clips his legs with Sutcliffe who does seem to try and react to grab him.

The speed at which Griffith is running in relation to Sutcliffe for me is no issue but you have to ask why a referee would take up the position of running directly in the attacking line of the Warrington players rather then being slightly behind the play. Had the ball reached the nearest Warrington player, Griffiths would have been a line blocker for them. As I said in a previous post it just shows how poor the standard and lack of understanding of the game the official has.

If Griffith or even Moore as the VR had deemed Sutcliffe had made intentional contact with the ref he would more than likely have been carded at the time. For the MRP to say it was deliberate and intentional is a stretch as they can not ascertain that at all and this is the problem with the way they operate.

My only problem with the Sutcliffe incident is that he didn’t drop the shoulder a little more. If you’re going to do something at least do it properly.

The ref slowed down at the moment Sutcliffe wanted to change angle. Sutcliffe had enough time to be aware of this but seemed to push him over out of frustration. This situation happens all the time when players are chasing back but avoid contact with the ref.

If it wasn't for the furore surrounding Brown much more would have been made of this.

Very, I'd imagine this would be the first game London would target as winnable especially given our absentees, we need to be on it from the get go and put in a professional performance. Any repeat of the ill discipline from the first 2 games (Brown's joke sending off aside) then we'll likely come unstuck. I can't imagine Griffiths or whoever the video ref was on Friday will be making an appearance over here anytime soon.

Talking of officials you have to wonder whilst we may be guilty of ill discipline have we created ourselves as more of a target?

Still think with the performance and effort shown at Warrington that we have enough to be able to get on the board on Sunday against London, though I don’t expect it to easy if straight forward.

Keeping our discipline will be more important ever on Sunday.

I think you're treated differently depending on the colour of your shirt (a lot of people don't agree, which is fair enough) but I don't believe had it been Welsby, Farrell, Walmsley etc... in Brown's shoes on Friday they'd have seen a red card. We are definitely a target but out of the 4 cards we've received this season only 2 were correct, you'd think we and especially Brown would've received an apology for the game wide embarrassment on Friday but nothing aside from generic rubbish from the RFL saying we got it a bit wrong but meh we done really give a toss.

2 game ban for Sutcliffe seems about right, could have been more, it was stupid and careless.

Question is, players aren't supposed to touch the ref/officials in play, so why do we see numerous defenders, (all clubs players do it), run back in line with the ref and put there hand on his shoulder if stood next to him making sure he knows the player is back 10!?

I’m more than a little shocked at how short the MRP charge sheet is this week.

Saw a few games this weekend and there were a few incidents of foul play worthy of a mention and at least a fine.

For example Ormondroyd of Salford hit Miller, late and fairly high, after his punt upfield yesterday. It was enough for a yellow card in the game but no mention of it on the charge sheet.

For me it was worse than anything Jack Brown, Barron or Gardiner did?

We have to agree to disagree on this Chris but im sure if the club thought there was any grounds for appeal they would have said already because given how harsh the Brown sending off was we must be due some compensation

Four of the six were Hull FC players
The coach needs a wake up call when it comes to on field discipline because if it continues the same as last season London is likely to be the only game we win