Got to be joking. Hoy for Connor has got to be nearly a bigger downgrade than Gale replacing Sneyd

Hoy couldn’t break his way out of a paper bag. He was getting compared to Field during pre season by some deluded barcodes

Super League player of the month for February, judged by an independent panel

It was voted by fans. You really think Hoy was better than Vaughan, Williams, even Abdull got 3 MOS points every game he played in Feb. Not fit to lace Cootes boots.

When replying to all the trolls, don’t quote them, they’re on my foes list, simples!!!!!

Personally I think Griffin, Taylor and Houghton could be responsible for some of the bad attitudes and should be released. They all have form for it, Griffin & Taylor especially. Why on earth would we want Houghton who yes, has been an amazing servant to the club coaching when he’s played in almost every game when it’s gone Pete Tong ?
Also, no one has said it yet and I will get battered for suggesting it but I think a new defence coach should be on the shopping list ! Leaking 60 points against Salford etc sorry, but Ellis has to go too. No room left for sentiment I’m afraid.

Going to be a BIG shop this season.

Nice to hear Ellam.

Look at Wire. Sign a few good big uns and a platform has been laid for Williams, Drinkwater, Clarke and Dufty.

If we can get a few in early then even better

Completely agree, there are too many players within the current squad that are there due to their past success and by past I mean 2016/17 seasons. The likes of Taylor, Houghton & Griffin seem to have the lazy attitude ingrained in them from years of poor coaching and trying to change that is just a waste of time.
The days of giving players jobs in the back room staff should also be a thing of the past and all back room positions should be offered to the best person for that role no matter. As you say as much as Ellis has been giant as a player and ambassador of the game questions need to be asked as why we are still shipping so many points against on a regular basis and why we have such a poor defensive attitude which has to be one of the most passive in SL.

Its pretty clear that attitudes of a number of players within the group can't be or even won't be changed, and yes whilst this isn't the most talented squad in the league it is certainly capable of delivering much better than it is or has done so far. Sadly the attitude towards effort, desire and intensity is just non existent and against Leigh we looked unfit.

Fed up of hearing about how the players have bought in or buying in to what TS wants as its just the same old story from the same suspects years after year, they like to talk about what they are doing or going to do but never have the metal or aptitude to carry out the talk.

My only hope is that we mirror the pain this season that the Warrington fans felt last season and reap rewards next season when TS has a mass clear out.

Lastly I also think promoting Clark from media to CEO and to seemingly involve him so heavily with player recruitment has set us back too. AP needs to take up Motu's offer of help if he hasn't already and get the clear out started (if it hasn't already) and replacements signed, sealed and announced before the club haemorrhages too many disgruntled and fans after being let down yet again.

Any idea on names, or positions? Good to hear changes are going to be made at least

Do we have bad attitudes or are the players not good enough, I think it's more the latter

Probably a mixture of the two.

Our middle is too soft and lazy for me.

I'd say its both to be honest Dave as whether you're good enough or not, you can still put effort in, show desire and quite honestly I've seen little of that so far this season. We must be one of if not the laziest team in SL and that shows in our woeful attempts at defence and in particular tackling which they just want to make a grab instead of bending their backs a getting stuck in. The difference between us and Leigh in that area alone was night and day, Leighs defensive line speed was far quicker than us, as soon as we played the ball they were on us and they made sure their tackles stuck. Compared to us, we just stood waiting then made lazy attempts and grabbed players often bouncing off. We were never in the game as we struggled to make 20-30 metres in a set yet we gift the opposition at least 10M every ptb with our unwillingness to get off the mark to defend when the balls played.

Great to hear



4 quota spots to play with so hopefully we can fill them with some quality and leaders at the same time.

Definitely use three of them, Satae not sure, on his day he cam devastating and looks one of the best props I the league, but looks lazy other times.

Lam is a good defensive coach

Think I'd gamble on Savelio and keep him, our best forward, who would get into any SL side, injuries are an issue, but I'd keep him.

Agree with this, if he keeps fit he'll probably be the first forward down on the teamsheet for me, still got age on his side also.

I agree. If we can improve the team in general I think he'll look even better. We rarely manage to get him into favourable matchups but when we do he usually does the business.

Just treading water until we can get players in who can carry out TS’s game plan I reckon.

Still need a decent nine who can control a game and compliment Dwyer if he stays. Hopefully maximise the quota spots, which has been woefully mismanaged.

Think we already have a Director of Rugby at the club. He happens to coach the side as well.

for me its both
Lets hope you have changed your mind about giving Taylor and Griffin a contract extension

Best forward we have this season . Hope he has better luck this season with the injuries .

Definite yes on keeping Savelio. Our motm on Saturday (not much to beat, admittedly).

Savelio ans Satae(although he's struggled this season) definites for me.

Agree those two are the only ones that are really definites for new deals, think Swift, Fash, Scott & Mitch will likely get extentions the rest of the senior OOC just not sure & think that speaks volumes about the state of the current squad.

Think Scott is the first one OOC to be getting a new contract from what i've been told