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| Quote ="Dave K."Needs to be appointed ASAP, so he can start putting things in place for next season. We wont sign the players we need to improve for next season, so he will have work with what he has (Which will be a worst squad than this year), it will take at least a year and this season and next is about building,playing young kids and trying to play some rugby and get some confidence back.'"
We need to find a new running half back if we are to stick with Sneyd as an organiser
Despite so many chances Connor doesnt cut it as a half back.Although we beat Cas in the cup he was poor in that game and yesterday even worse but for 10 minutes late in the game.
I would rather see Carlos at 6 than Connor.
If we are not going to use Connor as a centre then i would try and offload him for a fee.
If we can offload Connor and Jones it may give Pearson some funds for a new coach and half back.
Little point having a decent set of forwards if they are run ragged by pacey backs.
Losing the pace of Ratu and Kelly is a big blow and i can also see Adam Swift asking to leave which would leave us with the slowest set of backs in S/L.
Players with speed are what Clubs will be looking for now and we need to find some.
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| Quote ="bonaire"We need to find a new running half back if we are to stick with Sneyd as an organiser
Despite so many chances Connor doesnt cut it as a half back.Although we beat Cas in the cup he was poor in that game and yesterday even worse but for 10 minutes late in the game.
I would rather see Carlos at 6 than Connor.
If we are not going to use Connor as a centre then i would try and offload him for a fee.
If we can offload Connor and Jones it may give Pearson some funds for a new coach and half back.
Little point having a decent set of forwards if they are run ragged by pacey backs.
Losing the pace of Ratu and Kelly is a big blow and i can also see Adam Swift asking to leave which would leave us with the slowest set of backs in S/L.
Players with speed are what Clubs will be looking for now and we need to find some.'"
Then again, with a Walmsley, Thompson, Cooper, Hill, or Tag even up front, the platform for a different game evolves, beaten pack, halves don’t function, Hastings/Tommy/ Widdop are not blessed with pace, only Austin springs to mind.
Jake needs to be left we’re he is for this season, possibly giving young Macca a run. I don’t disagree with you over our oversized backs, and as we nearly all would like a change of coach etc, AP has some tricky decisions to make.
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| Quote ="Riderofthepalehorse"Then again, with a Walmsley, Thompson, Cooper, Hill, or Tag even up front, the platform for a different game evolves, beaten pack, halves don’t function, Hastings/Tommy/ Widdop are not blessed with pace, only Austin springs to mind.
Jake needs to be left we’re he is for this season, possibly giving young Macca a run. I don’t disagree with you over our oversized backs, and as we nearly all would like a change of coach etc, AP has some tricky decisions to make.'"
Wigan hardly had a big pack on show but what they do have is pace and a system
A lot of young guns in their forwards
Widdop and Hastings are faster than you think and they also have kicking games and rugby brains.
I agree Pearson has some decisions to make
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| Quote ="bonaire"Wigan hardly had a big pack on show but what they do have is pace and a system
A lot of young guns in their forwards
Widdop and Hastings are faster than you think and they also have kicking games and rugby brains.
I agree Pearson has some decisions to make'"
Our pack was overwhelmed in the first 25/30 game over, their young guns are very very good, ours are not. Overhaul needed we agree, just differ in opinions on Jake,
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| Overhaul:
This season has been a massive financial hit.
Leaving - Kelly, Ellis, Buchanan, Harris, Graham and Ratu - they need to cover sky's reduction next year of £250k - only just when the wind is in the right direction.
Season pass sales for next year the same as this year - I doubt it.
Walk-ups for next year (a significant amount) could be zero - let's hope not, but still seriously reduced.
Sponsorship - debateable, but likely to be reduced.
LR's salary being paid until March 2021 - more than likely, one way or another. (And Ellis will probably now have a full time coaching role.)
So where does the money come from to get rid/pay off players, coaches and whoever else's face doesn't fit ??
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| Quote ="ccs"Overhaul:
This season has been a massive financial hit.
Leaving - Kelly, Ellis, Buchanan, Litten, Graham and Ratu - they need to cover sky's reduction next year of £250k - only just when the wind is in the right direction.
Season pass sales for next year the same as this year - I doubt it.
Walk-ups for next year (a significant amount) could be zero - let's hope not, but still seriously reduced.
Sponsorship - debateable, but likely to be reduced.
LR's salary being paid until March 2021 - more than likely, one way or another. (And Ellis will probably now have a full time coaching role.)
So where does the money come from to get rid of players, coaches and whoever else's face doesn't fit ??'"
I completely agree things will be precarious financially. Very worrying times for many clubs, but us in particular with a big contracted wage bill and no rich backer.
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| A shame Malcolm Healey would rather give half a million to the Tories than help his local club.
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| Quote ="ccs"Overhaul:
This season has been a massive financial hit.
Leaving - Kelly, Ellis, Buchanan, Harris, Graham and Ratu - they need to cover sky's reduction next year of £250k - only just when the wind is in the right direction.
Season pass sales for next year the same as this year - I doubt it.
Walk-ups for next year (a significant amount) could be zero - let's hope not, but still seriously reduced.
Sponsorship - debateable, but likely to be reduced.
LR's salary being paid until March 2021 - more than likely, one way or another. (And Ellis will probably now have a full time coaching role.)
So where does the money come from to get rid/pay off players, coaches and whoever else's face doesn't fit ??'"
Overhaul is needed, the feasibility is another matter.
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| intriguing one which needs over hauling the most
Players or
Coaching setup?
Since Last took charge we've had a couple of games we've actually looked alright in, Huddersfield and Castleford.
I'm wondering if we wernt constantly playing quick turnarounds and losing key players on a weekly basis would we see more consistency?
Although I am scratching my head at The use of our props currently. I'm intrigued if Last could actually be decent under a different set of circumstances
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"intriguing one which needs over hauling the most
Players or
Coaching setup?
Since Last took charge we've had a couple of games we've actually looked alright in, Huddersfield and Castleford.
I'm wondering if we wernt constantly playing quick turnarounds and losing key players on a weekly basis would we see more consistency?
Although I am scratching my head at The use of our props currently. I'm intrigued if Last could actually be decent under a different set of circumstances'"
We dont want decent
we want top class.
A coach who commands respect,can instill discipline into the club and produce a trophy winning side that plays attractive Rugby League.
Not asking for much but they are out there.
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| Which leads me to my next question, with the financial restrictions covid has placed on us?
Who can we afford that matches your description?
Or do we stick with decent as that's all finances allow
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| How many experienced top class head coaches come to Super League? They are few and far between. Nathan Brown, I suppose. Michael Maguire had only been an assistant in the NRL. Peter Gentle had as much experience when he came to us and that didn't work out.
Adrian Lam was only ever assistant in the NRL I believe (had a brief spell as head coach of the PNG national team). Steve Price got the boot from the Dragons with a winning ratio of 36%. Tim Sheens hasn't pulled up any trees over here.
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| Quote ="bonaire"We dont want decent
we want top class.
A coach who commands respect,can instill discipline into the club and produce a trophy winning side that plays attractive Rugby League.
Not asking for much but they are out there.'"
If only it were that simple, look at the Premiership, most teams throw more money around on coaches and players than the whole of SL could possibly dream about and still achieve nothing.
And we've got no money.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"How many experienced top class head coaches come to Super League? They are few and far between. Nathan Brown, I suppose. Michael Maguire had only been an assistant in the NRL. Peter Gentle had as much experience when he came to us and that didn't work out.
Adrian Lam was only ever assistant in the NRL I believe (had a brief spell as head coach of the PNG national team). Steve Price got the boot from the Dragons with a winning ratio of 36%. Tim Sheens hasn't pulled up any trees over here.'"
Bring back Crusher.
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If only it were that simple, look at the Premiership, most teams throw more money around on coaches and players than the whole of SL could possibly dream about and still achieve nothing.
And we've got no money.'"
Different game so you cant compare
We all know there is little money in our game but we need a coach.
All the top teams in S/L have overseas coaches.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Different game so you cant compare
We all know there is little money in our game but we need a coach.
All the top teams in S/L have overseas coaches.'"
The most successful coaches in the superleague era are all British, two of them are still coaching (sort of).
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| Quote ="Smiggs"The most successful coaches in the superleague era are all British, two of them are still coaching (sort of).'"
You may be right but misses the point
The top three teams in S/L all have overseas coaches.
You only have to look at St Helens when they changed Cunningham to see how they have developed.
No point us supporters arguing because there is only one man at the club who can make the call and thats Adam Pearson and i think he will.
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| Quote ="bonaire"You may be right but misses the point
The top three teams in S/L all have overseas coaches.
You only have to look at St Helens when they changed Cunningham to see how they have developed.
No point us supporters arguing because there is only one man at the club who can make the call and thats Adam Pearson and i think he will.'"
He’s called Barclays and. they said no
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| Quote ="bonaire"You may be right but misses the point
The top three teams in S/L all have overseas coaches.
You only have to look at St Helens when they changed Cunningham to see how they have developed.
No point us supporters arguing because there is only one man at the club who can make the call and thats Adam Pearson and i think he will.'"
I would love a top class coach, but we ain't getting one on the budget I suspect we are on. So the question is what can we get for our money? I'm personally a fan of Danny Ward but he's another gamble I admit.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Different game so you cant compare.'"
Why not?
ManU have been spending money like confetti for years trying to buy success and it still hasn't happened.
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| Quote ="ccs"Why not?
ManU have been spending money like confetti for years trying to buy success and it still hasn't happened.'"
Man U haven't had success? In relative terms they propably spend no more now then they did 10 years ago. The difference is 10 years ago they had a world class manager.
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| Quote ="oooh Gravy!"Man U haven't had success? In relative terms they propably spend no more now then they did 10 years ago. The difference is 10 years ago they had a world class manager.'"
So why haven't they got one now?
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| Quote ="ccs"So why haven't they got one now?'"
Through choice, not through a lack of funds.
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| Quote ="ccs"So why haven't they got one now?'"
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| Quote ="bonaire"They made the wrong decisions'"
Like Man City, Man Utd are guilty of arrogance, throw Chelsea in there too, Liverpool are doing well because FSG have rebuilt the club from the bottom, FC are messed up because LR destroyed the creativity of the playing group, all he wanted is crash, bang, wallop and RL is not like that now, it will take 3 to 4 years to get rid of his legacy (and his mates). The best thing that could happen for FC is a new owner who will bin Last and the old hands, it is a sad state of affairs when a 39 year old man makes so much difference by just being on the pitch, Radford may have been the guy in the media when we won b2b cups, but Ellis is the core of the club. Houghton, Shaul, Taylor would not get a game in the top four, Jones doesn't want to play, Kelly is going (ambitious to go to the mighty Leigh), Pearson brought in Purtill and we see noithing of him, and the more I read about people thinking Wane should be coaching us the more I think my money is better spent on something more entertaining, like buying some paint and watching it dry.
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