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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Some strange claims in there, and some bending of the truth.
The squad was believed to be good enough for top 6 at the start of the season, but then they realised it wasn't good enough. It certainly should be better than 12th. If you and the coaches honestly thought it should be top 6 and now think 12th is not a major underachievement you need to consider whether you should be involved in the sport.
The stuff about needing a local coach to understand how to bring youngsters through and it not being possible with an Australian is just so out there it's hard to comprehend how he thinks people will swallow it. As others have already mentioned, it just doesn't stack up with how many young kids Gentle played, either. Plus, I personally think that when Gentle was in charge the youngsters coming in looked more at ease than those who have come in this year (possibly Lancaster apart). I found myself wondering whether he was knowingly talking baloney as an excuse, genuine believed it under his own steam, or has simply swallowed it wholesale from somebody creating themselves a job opportunity.
Also, the comment about every time we had an injury he was asked for a loan instead of playing youngsters. How many loan players did we have in the last 2 years? I can think of Russell (we had no other fullback in the squad IIRC), and Foster. Any others? Also, this year we might not have brought in loans to cover injuries, but we did hand out full contracts to both Carvell and Colbon to cover injuries. Was that any better?
Then there was a claim about the unacceptable form last year. The 5 game losing run he claimed - didn't entirely happen, we won a cup game during it. We also only lost a couple of those 5 by 2 points or less, and a couple of others by 6 and 7 points. Have a look at this year's fixture list, Adam, you might see a 4 game losing streak already, where the closest we got was 7 points, and in a couple of weeks I think you might even find this to be the middle of a 5 game losing streak where the best we can manage is a 6 point gap. I suppose that's all Gentle & McRae's fault still though, eh?
Don't entirely agree about Radford's signings being better so far, either. Jury's still got to be out on that one. A similar mixed bag this season and we'll have to wait and see next year.
Gentle not being brave enough to take on the cap issues is a tough one. From the outside we can't know exactly what that means, but if it's about freezing players out until they leave then it could just as easily be a disagreement over whether or not it's right to do that. Our behaviour to some players this year has been questionable to say the least.
Not sure what he meant by 11 in 17 at Wigan. If he meant from the youth system it was only 9. Also, 6 of those had already played first team before this season, so it's still a bit flexible with the truth to hint at this being down to the current setup and a sign of the future with the current coaching team.
I also wish he'd stop (or at least tone down) going on about the refereeing now. He makes it sound like better refereeing would have us in the playoffs and it just smacks of 'they're out to get us, it's not our fault' excuses.
He has some valid points, but trying to attribute all of the problems to the previous regime and paint them as the ultimate villains of the piece just doesn't wash IMO.
It does at least seem that he's aware of fans possibly (probably?) voting with their feet next season.'"
Brilliant post. I shall be taking this into consideration when I think over the interview.
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| Quote ="UllFC"another alarming comment was that we have the 3rd largest salary bill in the league, a shocking stat for the performances we are seeing. Would be very interesting to see what the squad bill at Cas is compared to ours.'"
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Some strange claims in there, and some bending of the truth.
The squad was believed to be good enough for top 6 at the start of the season, but then they realised it wasn't good enough. It certainly should be better than 12th. If you and the coaches honestly thought it should be top 6 and now think 12th is not a major underachievement you need to consider whether you should be involved in the sport.
The stuff about needing a local coach to understand how to bring youngsters through and it not being possible with an Australian is just so out there it's hard to comprehend how he thinks people will swallow it. As others have already mentioned, it just doesn't stack up with how many young kids Gentle played, either. Plus, I personally think that when Gentle was in charge the youngsters coming in looked more at ease than those who have come in this year (possibly Lancaster apart). I found myself wondering whether he was knowingly talking baloney as an excuse, genuine believed it under his own steam, or has simply swallowed it wholesale from somebody creating themselves a job opportunity.
Also, the comment about every time we had an injury he was asked for a loan instead of playing youngsters. How many loan players did we have in the last 2 years? I can think of Russell (we had no other fullback in the squad IIRC), and Foster. Any others? Also, this year we might not have brought in loans to cover injuries, but we did hand out full contracts to both Carvell and Colbon to cover injuries. Was that any better?
Then there was a claim about the unacceptable form last year. The 5 game losing run he claimed - didn't entirely happen, we won a cup game during it. We also only lost a couple of those 5 by 2 points or less, and a couple of others by 6 and 7 points. Have a look at this year's fixture list, Adam, you might see a 4 game losing streak already, where the closest we got was 7 points, and in a couple of weeks I think you might even find this to be the middle of a 5 game losing streak where the best we can manage is a 6 point gap. I suppose that's all Gentle & McRae's fault still though, eh?
Don't entirely agree about Radford's signings being better so far, either. Jury's still got to be out on that one. A similar mixed bag this season and we'll have to wait and see next year.
Gentle not being brave enough to take on the cap issues is a tough one. From the outside we can't know exactly what that means, but if it's about freezing players out until they leave then it could just as easily be a disagreement over whether or not it's right to do that. Our behaviour to some players this year has been questionable to say the least.
Not sure what he meant by 11 in 17 at Wigan. If he meant from the youth system it was only 9. Also, 6 of those had already played first team before this season, so it's still a bit flexible with the truth to hint at this being down to the current setup and a sign of the future with the current coaching team.
I also wish he'd stop (or at least tone down) going on about the refereeing now. He makes it sound like better refereeing would have us in the playoffs and it just smacks of 'they're out to get us, it's not our fault' excuses.
He has some valid points, but trying to attribute all of the problems to the previous regime and paint them as the ultimate villains of the piece just doesn't wash IMO.
It does at least seem that he's aware of fans possibly (probably?) voting with their feet next season.'"
excellent post Carl
Also Gentle had to contend with an horrendous injury list whilst in charge
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| Decent enough interview. I just wish it was someone other than FC employee Clarkey asking the questions. He's hardly Paxman.
Clearly, he's passionate about the club and has had a steep 3 year learning curve and baptism of RL fire. He's had a lot of bad advice - probably not been as hands-on as he should be, but putting "seven figures" in, for little return apart from a drenched day at Wembley.
This had the feel of a State Of The Nation address and it was bang on time - the eve of a big home game. I liked it, like the clear direction we're going, but I still do NOT think Radford is the right man for the role, on this years dreadful form.
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| Quote ="bonaire"I think he will be looking at plenty of empty seats tomorrow.
My opinion is Adam Pearson underestimates the fans feelings about Radfords performance as a coach.
In his interview he is supporting Radford and said he will be here next season.
I have a feeling he wont'"
Crowds are going to drop massively. I've renewed my pass on sheer loyalty for a good few years now, but too many letdowns for me now, and with it looking likely we'll end next season playing 'SuperLeague2' opposition, I'll be picking and choosing my games next season. If I didn't have a pass there is no way I'd be forking out £24 tomorrow night to watch the dross we've been serving up.
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| Wire , Saints and formally Wigan's Aussie coaches seem to recognize the importance of youth players .
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I found myself wondering whether he was knowingly talking baloney as an excuse, genuine believed it under his own steam, or has simply swallowed it wholesale from somebody creating themselves a job opportunity.
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That's exactly where I'm at. I think it's the worst interview he's done since he bought the club
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| Can I just congratulate adam on keeping the pub landlord as coach next season.
Lots of my hull fc mates were having sleepless nights worrying that he may get the sack and now you have put their mind at rest Iam sure they will all sleep soundly.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"That's exactly where I'm at. I think it's the worst interview he's done since he bought the club'"
I know he'll want to try and take pressure off his coach, and understandably so, but parts of that veered worryingly close to being the ramblings of a delusional madman. If David Icke bought a RL club...
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| Quote ="deslawson"Can I just congratulate adam on keeping the pub landlord as coach next season.
Lots of my hull fc mates were having sleepless nights worrying that he may get the sack and now you have put their mind at rest Iam sure they will all sleep soundly.
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| I dont need to watch stage managed questions.
What happend to Radio Phone ins, fans forums that were free entry.
Why wasnt this a SL Show int done by Tanya or the impossible Levy on Look North?
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Hows Greg Eden, bet Cockaine is happy the limelight is off him'"
He's fine thanks,is jason crookes still bowling them women over ?
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| Decent interview, some of the things he said I didn't agree with and he seemed to have too many poor excuses for us being poor this year. There has clearly been something going on with the players behind closed doors, which has effected performances slightly.
I honestly think the amount of money AP has invested and his long term commitment he is prepared to out in will see me get a pass next year.
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Hows Greg Eden, bet Cockaine is happy the limelight is off him'"
What is it with u and Greg Eden, did he turn down your advances in pozition or something. Seems you can't go more than 2 posts without mentioning him and you're embarrassing yourself.
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| Quote ="barham red"What is it with u and Greg Eden, did he turn down your advances in pozition or something. Seems you can't go more than 2 posts without mentioning him and you're embarrassing yourself.'"
I dont need to, your chairman jumped off his bar stool to have a pop at him in public.
You'd think the "young" "man" would keep himself out the limelight
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| Quote ="bonaire"Pritchard is a prop not second row'"
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"No he's NOT a prop he's a back rower ffs!!!'"
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| Who's Scott Taylor?
Oh the plodder?
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| A few people seem to have watched a different interview to the one I saw. Or maybe the same one through some filters.
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| Quote ="bonaire"I also think it will be a big mistake to let Crooks leave.Radford definitely to blame for that one.
Cant be Pritchard as he mentioned a centre and second row although I think we do need a big prop.
Scott Taylor just a plodder so wont be disappointed not to see him at the KC'"
Taylor didn't look like he was plodding when he carried half of our defensive line over for a try last week.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"The squad was believed to be good enough for top 6 at the start of the season, but then they realised it wasn't good enough. It certainly should be better than 12th. If you and the coaches honestly thought it should be top 6 and now think 12th is not a major underachievement you need to consider whether you should be involved in the sport.'"
He said they expect the squad to be top 6 but as the season went on some deficiencies became apparent. Basically the poor performances of the halves reading between the lines. Don't see much controversial there? Oh - and he specifically states that we've underachieved (at around 30 seconds in) and then goes on to call the season 'awful' at around 2mins 50secs.
Quote ="carl_spackler"The stuff about needing a local coach to understand how to bring youngsters through and it not being possible with an Australian is just so out there it's hard to comprehend how he thinks people will swallow it. As others have already mentioned, it just doesn't stack up with how many young kids Gentle played, either. Plus, I personally think that when Gentle was in charge the youngsters coming in looked more at ease than those who have come in this year (possibly Lancaster apart). I found myself wondering whether he was knowingly talking baloney as an excuse, genuine believed it under his own steam, or has simply swallowed it wholesale from somebody creating themselves a job opportunity.
Also, the comment about every time we had an injury he was asked for a loan instead of playing youngsters. How many loan players did we have in the last 2 years? I can think of Russell (we had no other fullback in the squad IIRC), and Foster. Any others? Also, this year we might not have brought in loans to cover injuries, but we did hand out full contracts to both Carvell and Colbon to cover injuries. Was that any better?'"
This is the bit of the interview I struggle with TBH. I don't see any evidence of a general reluctance among Aussie coaches to playing youngsters where required/appropriate and not specifically with Gentle either. Very odd. The comment about loan players could be taken as meaning he was asked to provide them, refused, and youngsters were used reluctantly instead I suppose.
Quote ="carl_spackler"Then there was a claim about the unacceptable form last year. The 5 game losing run he claimed - didn't entirely happen, we won a cup game during it. We also only lost a couple of those 5 by 2 points or less, and a couple of others by 6 and 7 points. Have a look at this year's fixture list, Adam, you might see a 4 game losing streak already, where the closest we got was 7 points, and in a couple of weeks I think you might even find this to be the middle of a 5 game losing streak where the best we can manage is a 6 point gap. I suppose that's all Gentle & McRae's fault still though, eh?'"
At no point does he hold this year up as being better than last year. He mentioned the poor performances at the end of last season - including the losing run - as a reason why despite a top 6 finish and a CC final appearance he still felt that things were not right.
Quote ="carl_spackler"Don't entirely agree about Radford's signings being better so far, either. Jury's still got to be out on that one. A similar mixed bag this season and we'll have to wait and see next year.'"
I think they're better in so far as they haven't wasted as much cap on ordinary players. In terms of quality there are still some question marks I agree.
Quote ="carl_spackler"I also wish he'd stop (or at least tone down) going on about the refereeing now. He makes it sound like better refereeing would have us in the playoffs and it just smacks of 'they're out to get us, it's not our fault' excuses.'"
This simply isn't true. All through the interview he brings up poor game management and a sub-standard kicking game as the main reason we've struggled and specifically states these as the reason we lost so many close games. The only two games where he mentions the refs calls as factors are Wire and Saints.
Quote ="carl_spackler"He has some valid points, but trying to attribute all of the problems to the previous regime and paint them as the ultimate villains of the piece just doesn't wash IMO.'"
He also blamed himself for letting Gentle/McRae make such a mess of things.
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| If he believes what he's saying then I despair and if it's spin meant to somehow persuade us that all is well then he's got a low opinion of the intellectual capability of the fans - then again maybe that opinion will be proved to be right and they'll be back for their jam next year.
Keeping Yeaman and losing Crooks? Wimpish Aussie coaches , loan signings no good but cr@p permanent ones ok and don't keep the youngsters out? The new format for SL next year is now fantastic and just what the game needs , when did that change? As someone said , sounds like the ramblings of a madman and just so disappointing cos I really thought he was going to be the intelligent , savvy , reasonably wealthy owner we'd been looking for. And if AP is going to do an "interview" then surely to have any credibility the questioner shouldn't be AP's employee who has a responsibility for Club PR!
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| i'm sorry, that whole thing was so safe it was unreal. sadly that was exactly what i expected. He needs to front up to the fans either at a forum or on a q&a session on the likes of this board (which would be fun, though never likely to happen). its funny the fans forums only seem to happen when the team is doing well
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| Quote ="Kosh"He said they expect the squad to be top 6 but as the season went on some deficiencies became apparent. Basically the poor performances of the halves reading between the lines. Don't see much controversial there? Oh - and he specifically states that we've underachieved (at around 30 seconds in) and then goes on to call the season 'awful' at around 2mins 50secs.'"
What I have a bit of a problem with is the saying the squad should be top 6, but then saying they realised that it wasn't capable, when it's not all that different to a squad that did indeed finish 6th. I don't see how that claim works alongside blaming the previous coach, it's inconsistent. Either the squad is that good, and the current coach is doing something wrong, or the squad is pants, which would mean the last coach did a very good job with poor resources.
Quote ="Kosh"This is the bit of the interview I struggle with TBH. I don't see any evidence of a general reluctance among Aussie coaches to playing youngsters where required/appropriate and not specifically with Gentle either. Very odd. The comment about loan players could be taken as meaning he was asked to provide them, refused, and youngsters were used reluctantly instead I suppose.'"
It's a lot of nonsense that I personally find a little insulting if he thinks we're daft enough to believe it.
Loan players, if he refused then he's not really backed the coach. Just didn't ring true to me anyway though with Gentle's selection policies. He wasn't frightened of playing the youth at all. He even did it without injuries, look at the Yeaman furore. And as also said, why is signing Colbon & Carvell on 1 year deals not the same sort of thing?
Quote ="Kosh"At no point does he hold this year up as being better than last year. He mentioned the poor performances at the end of last season - including the losing run - as a reason why despite a top 6 finish and a CC final appearance he still felt that things were not right.'"
I never said he said it was better. I just don't understand the inconsistency of finding a 5 game losing run and some thumpings so offensive last year as to warrant sacking the coach, but have so much unshakeable faith in Radford after an even worse season.
Quote ="Kosh"I think they're better in so far as they haven't wasted as much cap on ordinary players. In terms of quality there are still some question marks I agree.'"
I'll not guess at what they earn, I'm just bothered about quality and IMO they're not better as he claimed.
Quote ="Kosh"This simply isn't true. All through the interview he brings up poor game management and a sub-standard kicking game as the main reason we've struggled and specifically states these as the reason we lost so many close games. The only two games where he mentions the refs calls as factors are Wire and Saints.'"
He also hinted at Paea's ban being a factor in the Widnes debacle. He just needs to drop it for a bit. Concentrate on getting our house in order for a bit.
Quote ="Kosh"He also blamed himself for letting Gentle/McRae make such a mess of things.'"
As he should. I just think he's over-attributing problems to them. There are plenty of things this year that are nothing to do with them, but he seems to be wanting to lay everything at the door of their tenure.
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