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| Quote ="Greavsie"you seem very confident'"
Well AP did say the deal was already done.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I can't see Ellis moving to prop, 13 maybe.
We have Feka, Paea, Watts, Green, Bowden, Johnson, Tyson-Wilson, Wilson.'"
An average front row, which is really poor considering what we've had over the years.
Compare this to Saints who'll have the best pack in the league next season no doubt.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"An average front row, which is really poor considering what we've had over the years.
Compare this to Saints who'll have the best pack in the league next season no doubt.
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Why no doubt? They'll improve but they've only signed 2 players in the pack.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Why no doubt? They'll improve but they've only signed 2 players in the pack.'"
Because Masoe will go well over here imo and Amor showed how good he can be last season. There pack was already good, they've improved it. Even if it is just two players. The only pack who'll come close to them is Huddersfield.
I actually forgot about Huddersfield when I posted the first time, but I still think Saints will have the better pack.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Stats show to me that neither player are that good in attack, just read the Wigan thread about him and confirmed what I though, good hard working defensive forward.
Under different circumstances he would be a good signing, but we already have 4 simalar backrow forwards.'"
My point was that you said Danny Tickle was [imuch[/i better in attack than Tuson, I said he wasn't, now you've just said neither of them are that good in attack. Which was what I'd thought, I never said Tuson was an attacking 2nd rower.
What's different in Tuson when compared to Westerman, Whiting and Pitts is the aggression that he puts into everything he does. Everything is 100% with a mean face, he won't take a step back. Aggression is something our pack lacks.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I can't see Ellis moving to prop, 13 maybe.
We have Feka, Paea, Watts, Green, Bowden, Johnson, Tyson-Wilson, Wilson.'"
Dose any one think Johnson could have a go in the back row?
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Because Masoe will go well over here imo and Amor showed how good he can be last season. There pack was already good, they've improved it. Even if it is just two players. The only pack who'll come close to them is Huddersfield.
I actually forgot about Huddersfield when I posted the first time, but I still think Saints will have the better pack.'"
Masoe could easily revert to his old lazy self, his form only improved after he signed for saints. Don't get get me wrong they've got some talented players and a lot will depend on Walsh but I wouldn't say signing Amor and Masoe will propel them into champions.
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| Quote ="patto2524"Dose any one think Johnson could have a go in the back row?'"
You're going the wrong way with this. We need more props not more back rowers! Taking another prop off us won't help
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| Quote ="patto2524"Dose any one think Johnson could have a go in the back row?'"
Who would you drop?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Masoe could easily revert to his old lazy self, his form only improved after he signed for saints. Don't get get me wrong they've got some talented players and a lot will depend on Walsh but I wouldn't say signing Amor and Masoe will propel them into champions.'"
Never said they would be champions and I know you never said I did either before you get that in
what is stopping them going the distance is their backs. Yeah there young and got some good talent such as Swift, Makinson and Percival. They just don't have that special 3/4 player, I'd even say we have two in Lineham and Crooks (or not far off it).
I just think Masoe will be more suited to the game over here, it's a shame they've banned the shoulder charge. He's annihilate players over here
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| Bowden hasn't shown as much promise as I'd hoped. I can't see us retaining him next year.
Tuson is an excellent signing though. Twice the player Mika will ever be.
We'll miss Tickle for his goal-kicking. He gives away too many penalties and I reckon his body will not stand up for 3 years at Widnes.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Who would you drop?'"
I would not signed Tuson move Johnson to back row sign a out n out prop.
I like Johnson I just don't see him as a prop think he is to slight. But runs hard good work rate good defender could be good back rower?
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Never said they would be champions and I know you never said I did either before you get that in
what is stopping them going the distance is their backs. Yeah there young and got some good talent such as Swift, Makinson and Percival. They just don't have that special 3/4 player, I'd even say we have two in Lineham and Crooks (or not far off it).
I just think Masoe will be more suited to the game over here, it's a shame they've banned the shoulder charge. He's annihilate players over here
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If he can keep the level of professionalism he has in his last few months will Penrith. I'm not overly fussed by LMS, Laffranci or Soliola tbh.
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| Quote ="patto2524"I would not signed Tuson move Johnson to back row sign a out n out prop.
I like Johnson I just don't see him as a prop think he is to slight. But runs hard good work rate good defender could be good back rower?'"
So you'd want us to sign 2 more props?
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| Quote ="patto2524"I would not signed Tuson move Johnson to back row sign a out n out prop.
I like Johnson I just don't see him as a prop think he is to slight. But runs hard good work rate good defender could be good back rower?'"
We still could get a prop.
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| Quote ="Diablo1967"Bowden hasn't shown as much promise as I'd hoped. I can't see us retaining him next year.
Tuson is an excellent signing though. Twice the player Mika will ever be.
We'll miss Tickle for his goal-kicking. He gives away too many penalties and I reckon his body will not stand up for 3 years at Widnes.'"
He's only 21. A spell at Doncaster will do him the world of good.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"So you'd want us to sign 2 more props?'"
Another big prop would not be a bad thing in hulls pack.
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And another big lad a proper prop.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Never said they would be champions and I know you never said I did either before you get that in
what is stopping them going the distance is their backs. Yeah there young and got some good talent such as Swift, Makinson and Percival. They just don't have that special 3/4 player, I'd even say we have two in Lineham and Crooks (or not far off it).
I just think Masoe will be more suited to the game over here, it's a shame they've banned the shoulder charge. He's annihilate players over here
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Lineham and crookes (and shaul) are good young players no doubt - but in terms of quality Lomax Makinson and swift aren't that far behind from what I've seen (I depend on what you define as a "special" player) and turner really has proven himself in the saints shirt this year - I was really skeptical when he was announced but he's been my player of the year!
Saints have made signings to create a really good balance in the squad with depth to match
I don't understand hulls signings particularly - but Tuson sounds a direct replacement for Tickle and a good signing for you guys
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I can't see Ellis moving to prop, 13 maybe.
We have Feka, Paea, Watts, Green, Bowden, Johnson, Tyson-Wilson, Wilson.'"
We also have Westerman, Whiting, Pitts, Tuson, Thompson, Kent, Hadley, and Turgut.
So that's 8 options in each position not including Ellis. The back row options just look a bit better than the prop ones ATM, unless Paleaaesina really impresses.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"We also have Westerman, Whiting, Pitts, Tuson, Thompson, Kent, Hadley, and Turgut.
So that's 8 options in each position not including Ellis. The back row options just look a bit better than the prop ones ATM, unless Paleaaesina really impresses.'"
There is that and when injuries kick in we could utilise him there to get our best 17 out but imo our strongest 17 has Eliis in the back row.
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| Good signing. Very good replacement and I'm quite happy with our backrow for next season. Ellis, Westerman, Whiting, Tuson, Pitts, with younger players like Hadley, looks decent on paper.
I do have a lot of concern for our front row, though. O'Meley was one of our toughest players who never took a backwards step and I don't think that we've yet found a replacement for that, nor have we for Lynch's big shift in defense.
So far I think our back row is stronger but our front row is weaker so a new prop signing is a must.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"There is that and when injuries kick in we could utilise him there to get our best 17 out but imo our strongest 17 has Eliis in the back row.'"
Depends on Green's form and how Paleaaesina does IMO. With both playing well, yes Ellis in the back row. But if Paleaaesina is rubbish, or if/when Green has a sloppy spell (which he does tend to have, as does Watts), I think we might need him to take over Lynch's mantle in the middle. Our prop options contain more gambles/unknown quantities and inconsistent players than the back row, so If Ellis was to move up it could address that a bit. Obviously unless we sign another good prop.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"My point was that you said Danny Tickle was [imuch[/i better in attack than Tuson, I said he wasn't, now you've just said neither of them are that good in attack. Which was what I'd thought, I never said Tuson was an attacking 2nd rower.
What's different in Tuson when compared to Westerman, Whiting and Pitts is the aggression that he puts into everything he does. Everything is 100% with a mean nice bloke face, he won't take a step back. Aggression is something our pack lacks.'"
Ok, maybe much was too far, but I still think tickle offers more in attack than Tuson.
I just feel we need an attacking 2nd row and we haven't got one. For me you described Ellis, whiting and Westerman.
The best chance we have is to use Westerman out wide more.
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| Quote ="Dave K."The best chance we have is to use Westerman out wide more.'"
You'll get no disagreement from me on that.
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| Quote ="Panda92"
I do have a lot of concern for our front row, though. O'Meley was one of our toughest players who never took a backwards step and I don't think that we've yet found a replacement for that, nor have we for Lynch's big shift in defense. '"
Paea is easily O'Meleys replacement. Feka is Lynch's.
To my mind, they are both improvements. Lynch suffered 'second-season syndrome'. O'Meley's body was hammered, so if we had got another season out of him, it wouldn't have been much.
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