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| if moa gets a ban i'd be dissapointed, seen worse offences been put on report, fc should have a good case to argue at the disciplinary, although knowing the rfl we will get scr3w3d unlike the teams west of us!
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I've got no idea what Moa can expect on Tuesday night from the RFL. Would hope it's SOS, and Moa's previous good (from what I can remember) record will be taken into account, but this is the RFL.
The point about the comparison with NRL is a good one.'"
SoS isn't good enough, it should be a clear not guilty.
SoS is like a conditonal discharge, it's still a conviction and unless the RFL can prove any intent, he's innocent.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"SoS isn't good enough, it should be a clear not guilty.
SoS is like a conditonal discharge, it's still a conviction and unless the RFL can prove any intent, he's innocent.'"
I will go along with the Ref or ex ref (not sure if you still ref Cod?)
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| Just seen it again, still think it was fine and McDermott has it spot on. A hard, aggressive shot and we should not be hounding that sort of play out of the game. Unfortunate that Rinaldi also happened to turn/duck into it at the point of contact, but still not a sending off for me. As has been said, the likes of Morley, Sonny Bill Williams, and our own Mark O'Meley have made their careers/reputations with such hits and are celebrated for them.
Also, it still looked as I remembered it, the London players had pretty much no initial reaction. There was no outcry in the immediate aftermath, even from those close by. Think they just accepted it as a big hit.
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| Quote ="the artist"seen the replay - he lines him up and hits with the shoulder, but turns away just as rinaldi steps and ducks into it. impact is top of shoulder into head - not an intentional attack on the head as rinaldi has clearly ducked into it. technically yes its a sending off, but there was so much doubt on the field that it should have gone on report. silverwood has had some info from somewhere i'm sure - this is the question that should be asked
also you can hear the hull player (lynch probably) stating that rinaldi has ducked into what would have been an impact on the upper chest/shoulder if rinaldi had stayed upright
overall its more of a non deliberate/accidental/unlucky attack on the head and sending off sufficient will probably result'"
This. Moa pretty much hits him shoulder to neck/chin, but cleans him out. Didn't hear ref tell Moa or Lynch what it was for when asked (maybe he doesn't have to?)
The fact that the reaction to the Kaufusi swing and miss between the players is worse says a lot, but I'm hoping for NFA from the disciplinary.
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| I thought it was a great hit, Moa very harsh to see red. London.players don't react until he gets a red then they console him. Looks like shoulder/head together but not intentional attack on the head. Should be no ban and do agree with Gentle that last nights game affected the decision.
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| bentham video ref, anybody think he gave the nod to silverwood to produce the red to cover his own mistakes from saturdays game?
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| Quote ="number 6"bentham video ref, anybody think he gave the nod to silverwood to produce the red to cover his own mistakes from saturdays game?'"
If anything, it highlights his mistakes from Saturdays game.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"If anything, it highlights his mistakes from Saturdays game.'"
exactly! makes it worse that we paid for his own errors from that game!
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| Just another poor refereeing decision from someone who clearly isnt up to the job of refereeing super league. Not that there are many who are.
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| Quote ="hullbg"I am sure the people at Hull who deal with Disciplinaries will be digging into the archives for Morley tackles and others where they have been put on report for something very similar and then got a caution at worst in front of the panel. Be surprised if he is not playing on Friday, but if he isn't we will deal with it.'"
100% agree with this and the comments regarding the nrl this is the sort of challenge SBW built his career on brilliant when done correctly which I believe this challenge was. However knowing the RFL a ban would surprise me to be honest.
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| Nice to see the southern softies on the forum backing the sending off decision using their zero knowledge about RL rules and seeming to be reading rules books on rugby onion.
Everyone knows it was a fair challenge think Silverwood only sent him off so you didnt get 40+ put past you again better luck next week.
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| Watched it again, was even more awesome!! Dumb & Dumber on sky make it worse by getting hysterical, tarts!, no way should shoulder barges be banned from League...
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| Silverwood would need three spare whistles if he ref'd a Aussie game because he'd keep blowing the peas out of them.
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| Quote ="markrammond"Shoulder charge by the ball carrier is ok as is two guys competing for the ball if running in the same direction. Knocking an opponent out with a high tackle with the shoulder is outlawed sadly'"
Sorry but your wrong, its's only illegal if the player was on the floor.It is however illegal in Union.
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| Haven't watched the game on sky yet but did Silverwood actually award a penalty as the incident occurred because I thought play continued until he realised that Rinaldi wasn't getting up.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Haven't watched the game on sky yet but did Silverwood actually award a penalty as the incident occurred because I thought play continued until he realised that Rinaldi wasn't getting up.'"
You are quite correct. As Sam had dropped on the loose ball he was heading for a position in the broncos defensive line, but stopped when he saw Rinaldi was injured.
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| I wasn't very happy when Silverwood brandished the red last night but would have understood it a littlemore if he had produced it in a more timely manner. He seemed to take an age to make the decision which suggests to me that he was viewing replays on the big screen or was taking some guidence from Bentham.
I persoanlly don't like shoulder charges and would like to see us go down the rah rah route where players need to make an attempt at a tackle. That been said I thought it was a clean hit and the fact that Ranaldi was laying face down on the turf probably influenced Silverwood decision somewhat. If Rinaldi had managed to get straight to his feet it wouldn't even have been a penalty.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Haven't watched the game on sky yet but did Silverwood actually award a penalty as the incident occurred because I thought play continued until he realised that Rinaldi wasn't getting up.'"
Just before he gives the red card you can hear him talking as if he is getting instructions from someone that it should be a red card. He hadn't even given a penalty at that point.
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| Bentham gave the decision, no doubt.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Bentham gave the decision, no doubt.'"
totally agree Paul, Silverwood was about to let play go on until he realised Rinaldi was not moving, it was only after Bentham chirped in his ear that he sent Moa off and gave uins a penalty
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| A tricky one, if it was a Hull player on the receiving end, I would have been shouting for the offender to be "off, off, off". Trying to take the black and white out of it is too hard. I didn't realise the VR was Bentham, he would have been making up for mistakes made the night before.
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| Quote ="Pal of Mine"A tricky one, if it was a Hull player on the receiving end, I would have been shouting for the offender to be "off, off, off". Trying to take the black and white out of it is too hard. I didn't realise the VR was Bentham, he would have been making up for mistakes made the night before.'"
i thought the video ref was ganson
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Bentham gave the decision, no doubt.'"
Agree Paul it was clearly a decision made upstairs. However Silverwood's overall performance was infuriating. He seemed to allow London to a take a penalty twice in the 1st half after the initial attempt was fumbled, then in the 2nd he allowed Witt to get up from being tackled, run off and then go back to play the ball. Not to mention him allowing that windy prop forward to attempt two high shots without a word being said to him.
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