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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq."Sorry if I missed the parade for our 3rd place finish in the reserves league but I couldn't care less, and I don't really believe you do either. The idea that because our reserves finished 3rd there 'must be some players capable of playing in SL' is a complete non sequitur. In the last few years, the only players we've produced for ourselves are Briscoe (who would have come through if you or I were coaching him) and Houghton, and that means Last failed at his job.'"
Burnett, Wheeldon, Hodgson, and slightly further back Hall should all be added to the list too IMO. They may not be top 4 players, but they are SL standard as they have shown with us or away from us.
Where I disagree most strongly with what you seem to be saying is the claim that Last's job is to make SL players, almost as if they should practically be the finished article on arrival in the first team. That's not realistic, I'd say his job is more to produce players with the potential to play SL and a sound basis of how to do so. It's then up to the first team coaching staff to see that potential fulfilled. Now I'm not saying that all of the young players that Last has had have been up to scratch, but then no academy does that either. I do happen to think that there have been enough players with wasted/not fully-realised potential to point the finger more at the way they've been introduced/treated at first team level than in the 20s. |
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"there have been enough players with wasted/not fully-realised potential to point the finger more at the way they've been introduced/treated at first team level than in the 20s.'"
Would agree with that, the main difference with the likes of Saints, Wigan, Leeds and laterly with Warrington & even Huddersfield is they have given their young players a chance at SL level, the simple fact is we haven't under the old regime.
Thats for me is all a youth development Coach can do ie bring the youth players on to a standard good enough, which i believe is being done, however a Youth Coach can not be blamed for lack of or blocking first team opportunities. |
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I reckon that coaching an under 20s side is the hardest task at a Super League club. How many hours a week do we think that Lasty gets with the players and how often will he have them all together? He will probably have a couple of evening sessions a week with the part-time lads who play week in week out for him then will probably have one run through session the day before matchday when he will have access to the full time lads who are available to him that week and any Academy lads who have been promoted to the 20s that week. Not the ideal environment to improve the players at his disposal but the situation will never change at 20s level.
The fault for players not coming through lies in the Scholarship and Academy set-up and coaching at the club. Now that Andy is in charge of that he will have a direct influence on the development of the youngsters at Hull. If none come through in the next 3 or 4 years then i am sure he will take any criticism that comes his way.
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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq."Sorry if I missed the parade for our 3rd place finish in the reserves league but I couldn't care less, and I don't really believe you do either. The idea that because our reserves finished 3rd there 'must be some players capable of playing in SL' is a complete non sequitur. In the last few years, the only players we've produced for ourselves are Briscoe (who would have come through if you or I were coaching him) and Houghton, and that means Last failed at his job.'"
How do we know the club haven't produced a number of SL standard players if Agar has refused to play them? For all we know last could have done his job brilliantly. |
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"How do we know the club haven't produced a number of SL standard players if Agar has refused to play them? For all we know last could have done his job brilliantly.'"
As I've already said, if one or more of Crookes, Pearce et al. break through next season then I'll have been wrong about Last. The funny thing is, if that did happen then it would make the decision to demote him look the wrong one as well.
I think that's the crux of my concerns, if the new regime are convinced he was doing a great job then why move him? If they think he was underperforming then why retain him at all? |
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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq." I think that's the crux of my concerns, if the new regime are convinced he was doing a great job then why move him? If they think he was underperforming then why retain him at all?'"
maybe they have highlighted his strengths and are playing to them? |
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| Quote ="Garry Brindley Esq."As I've already said, if one or more of Crookes, Pearce et al. break through next season then I'll have been wrong about Last. The funny thing is, if that did happen then it would make the decision to demote him look the wrong one as well.
I think that's the crux of my concerns, if the new regime are convinced he was doing a great job then why move him? If they think he was underperforming then why retain him at all?'"
I hope you've been wrong too 
If he has been doing a good job at U20s I would guess he can do similar job at U18s. |
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Arrives next week,great news!!
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Arrives next week,great news!!
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| Quote ="weaver93"Arrives next week,great news!!'"
if rumours are true then not long to wait for 2 new arrivals, to be announced when Gentle arrives (allegedly). |
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Looks like not happening now,
According to tomorrow's mail ,Fitz has left already.
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Looks like not happening now,
According to tomorrow's mail ,Fitz has left already.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Looks like not happening now,
According to tomorrow's mail ,[uFitz has left already[/u.'"
Think he left yesterday. |
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Gentle may be better off asking the players Agar messed about rather than the ones he didnt dare drop and whats this "SIR" Fitz???? He was good yes but we have had better.
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