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| Quote ="Standee"Indeed, and said lust has also meant the shoddy compromise of AV will get voted down and we'll not see PR within 10 years.'"
Presumably Clegg thinks it was all worth it for the referendum, when he gets a nice car, ministerial salary, protection officers and a staff of civil servants (he has a Principal Private Secretary, 3 Private Secretaries and 4 Assistant Private Secretaries in his own office according to the Cabinet Office website) to do his work for him.
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| Quote ="Andrea FC"my son goes to hull uni in sept,he is studying law what should of cost him £9,600 it will now cost him £27,ooo what a joke this is.luckily for him he can stay at home so wont have to pay for accomadation etc.after the 3 years at uni he then has to continue with a 1yr course at a cost of between £10-£12,000,and it doesnt end there,this goverment is a f**king joke it has even at one point made him doubt if he should per sue this careericon_sad.gif luckily he changed his mind,how hard is it for youngsters to make a career.'"
I am going to Hull Uni in Sept, thankfully as my degree is Mental Health Nurse my 2 years will be paid for...I did however pay for the last degree. I really feel for people going to Uni now though it is certainly not made easy for them.
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| Quote ="Andrea FC"hopefully thats how it turns out standee,but was really upset he was thinking about throwing it all away,he has worked so hard for this he really wants to become a lawyer and he will work very hard to get it (hopefully)all the signs are he will work really hard turn up for lectures etc.'"
then I don't understand his issue with having to pay for it, once he is earning enough.
the total hysteria being whipped up about all this is a bit of a joke
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| I am more sympathetic to Clegg, surely it is better to be on the inside trying to change things, than to be on the outside shouting in?
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| Quote ="Standee"then I don't understand his issue with having to pay for it, once he is earning enough.
the total hysteria being whipped up about all this is a bit of a joke'"
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| Quote ="OmneFC"I hope that a positive consequence of this is that people do start taking it more seriously, and stop loving around, a large majority of students (myself included) took the opportunity to mickey the first few years up the wall'" agree maybe a lot have done the same as you so agree maybe its good they weed out them,but just feel theyve out priced middle class people.
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| Quote ="Andrea FC"out priced middle class people.'"
WHY?
How much will he have to pay, right here, right now = £0.00
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| [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638Q & A's on the Government's proposals on tuition fees[/url
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| Quote ="Andrea FC"agree maybe a lot have done the same as you so agree maybe its good they weed out them,but just feel theyve out priced middle class people.'"
previously the middle classes needed to pay fees upfront, and the loan was means tested,
now, the fees and loans are no longer means tested and not payable upfront,
no case of being priced out, as previously said, all costs are future taxation for the graduate
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| Quote ="Standee"then I don't understand his issue with having to pay for it, once he is earning enough.
the total hysteria being whipped up about all this is a bit of a joke'" just think the initial thought of his fees rising by nearly £20-000 frightened him of a little,he is only 18 and the thought of been all that in debt must be slighty scary if it didnt all work out for him.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638Q & A's on the Government's proposals on tuition fees[/url'"
£38000 worth of debt ....shocking we should be like Scotland!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"£38000 worth of debt
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| Quote ="Standee"WHY?
How much will he have to pay, right here, right now = £0.00'" no but he will be starting out in his adult life in so much debt as i put above,£20-000 more now
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| I think the key point now has to be why Scotland can afford not to do this, and we can't
We are subsidizing their kids over ours
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| Quote ="Andrea FC"no but he will be starting out in his adult life in so much debt as i put above,£20-000 more now'"
but he wont pay it back until he can afford to
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I am going to Hull Uni in Sept, thankfully as my degree is Mental Health Nurse my 2 years will be paid for...I did however pay for the last degree. I really feel for people going to Uni now though it is certainly not made easy for them.'" i know he doesnt have to pay it back at the moment but his fees have tripled over night,like i said it scared him enough to doubt if he should carry on
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| Quote ="OmneFC"I am more sympathetic to Clegg, surely it is better to be on the inside trying to change things, than to be on the outside shouting in?'"
If he had any actual power/influence and sought to use it in line with his party's manifesto that would be worth sympathy, but his position (along with the other LibDems in the cabinet) is pretty much worthless. What is he trying to change? He said no to tuition fees etc before May 2010, then the chance to jump into bed with Cameron came along and he abandoned his commitment straight away.
Sellout.
Still, I bet the car is nice, and his house will have state of the art security measures too. Result for Nick!
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| Quote ="Standee"anyone who voted for their LOCAL politicians on NATIONAL policies is a dimwit.'"
Agree with the sentiment if not the actual charge. There are many councils that provide excellent value for money services whilst freezing or reducing the cost to their council tax payers. Alas it seems there are many more who, whilst shielding huge bank reserves, prefer to slash front line services and jobs without any regard for improving efficiencies seemingly for purely political motive.
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| Quote ="Standee"but can I just point out LABOUR introduced fees.'"
Oh believe me I haven't forgotten that for one instant. That was very nearly as two-faced as the Lib Dem's sudden renunciation of their pre-election pledge. Our politicians are a poor lot overall, but the current Government adds a level of incompetence and self-interest that the last lot could only aspire to.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Agree with the sentiment if not the actual charge. There are many councils that provide excellent value for money services whilst freezing or reducing the cost to their council tax payers. Alas it seems there are many more who, whilst shielding huge bank reserves, prefer to slash front line services and jobs without any regard for improving efficiencies seemingly for purely political motive.'"
Indeed, wait until the facts about what Labour have planned for HCC and their staff in the next 12 months come out, and then run for the hills, because it is going to be carnage.
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"How anyone can vote labour is beyond me; the mess our country in is because of them, not the Lib Dems/Conservatives. There wouldn't have to be huge cuts if labour didn't spend well beyond their means.'"
Sorry if this has been mentioned but could'nt be bothered to scroll through everything.
Minns going is absolutely fantastic, this self gloating bigot has truly ruined people's lives ind incomes and has self handedly smashed this city into bits (including the Boulevard).
Labour never recovered the utter mess left by Thatcher and her tory government, that's a massive reason why we never truly clawed out of their mess in the nineties. I don't know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember the great things she ruined forever, including our own city (fishing) she did nothing to save the problems of that trade. So to talk about cuts and job losses is nothing compared to the shambles she left the country in. Good riddance Minns.
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| Quote ="OmneFC"I think the key point now has to be why Scotland can afford not to do this, and we can't
We are subsidizing their kids over ours'"
It is another joke result of the constitutional mess that we're currently in. As it happens Scotland can't really afford it.
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| Quote ="Standee"but he wont pay it back until he can afford to'" yes i know but like i said his fees tripling over night scared him of a little,like i said hes only 18 but its turned out ok now and if he gets a good job none of this will be a problem for him.
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| Quote ="Andrea FC"i know he doesnt have to pay it back at the moment but his fees have tripled over night,like i said it scared him enough to doubt if he should carry on
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Well unlike the Tory Boys on here ...I think it is a disgrace, people have to pay through their teeth and have debt fround their necks before they even start work if they want to educate themselves to a higher standard in this country.
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| Quote ="Chris28"If he had any actual power/influence and sought to use it in line with his party's manifesto that would be worth sympathy, but his position (along with the other LibDems in the cabinet) is pretty much worthless. What is he trying to change? He said no to tuition fees etc before May 2010, then the chance to jump into bed with Cameron came along and he abandoned his commitment straight away.
Sellout.
Still, I bet the car is nice, and his house will have state of the art security measures too. Result for Nick!'"
I heard some figures quoted on Radio 4, that the lib dems had 75% of their manifesto in the coalition agreement, and the conservatives only have around 60%...
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