For the three years of Agar's reign poor on-field discipline, bad decision making and persistent errors have been pretty much constant features of our game. Despite signing or re-signing every one of these players and working with them every day, Agar hasn't been able to improve on these deficiencies. Where is the sense in trying to exonerate Agar when the players continue to perform like this? Do you seriously think a better coach wouldn't improve these areas of our/their game?

I'm not trying to exonerate Agar at all and yes I do think a better coach would improve these areas too, I'm saying the blame has to be shared. Agar has to take responsibilty as the coach but the players, equally, have to take their share of the blame. Washbrook shouldn't be knocking on in those areas either, there's not much Agar can do at that time, the players should be better than that.

I agree the responsibility has to be shared to an extent, but the 'not much Agar can do once they cross the whitewash' line is pretty irrelevant to me because the point is that he's responsible for putting them there in the first place and for preparing them. At the end of the day we've had a massive turnover in players since Agar took over and the same problems remain, there's only one common denominator.

I agree, mate. I hate it when people say 'there's nothing the coach can do when the players cross the whitewash' that's bollox, of course they can and should. I've never been happy with Agar in charge and as the years go by I'd like to see him removed but sometimes people blame coach for absolutely everything and that shouldn't be the case.

Wigan from what I can gather were there for the taking and the only thing keeping them so close to us was the fact our poor discipline kept carrying them back up the field.

That for me must have being in the game plan, not to deliberately give pens away but along the lines of "slow them down, take Tomkins down at all costs". Which in the end kept them close to us when in reality if Wigan had played a Wire team today they would have being beaten comprehensively.

That said the game plan which Agar played today nearly worked and if we had won the reaction on here would be a lot different. I'm firmly in the Agar out camp however we have demanded improvement since the Leeds game and we are getting it. Which I think he deserves credit for , considering the pressure hes being under. He is not the right man for the job, we know this but it looks like we will be stuck with him.

I know we wasn't expecting to win today but that doesn't make it ok we threw away a winning position. This is something which is becoming regular under the Agar regime and it can't be just a coincidence. Three seasons ago we would have had an uproar at us losing from that position we were in today but for some reason today we are just happy to be within one score of them. Probably an indication of how far the club has dropped down since the 2006 Grand Final.

ATEOD we as supporters deserve a lot better, the club deserves a lot better.

I usually don't mind the Hull teams (having spent 3 years in your fair City), but you had very little to be proud of today. You came with house tactics and had a referee that let you get away with murder. Horrible to watch.

We'll wait to see what the officials at the RFL say then.

Good post.

I to am firmly in the Agar Out camp, and I also very much agree that 3/4 years ago we'd have been devastated to lose a lead...

however (as you state) since the Leeds game we have seen a big step up in performance, and both board and players seem firmly behind Agar, so we are left with no choice but to back him.

However the run of games we have coming up is a lot easier IMO. We have Wakefield at home next, which on present form is the easiest game of the season. I expect a convincing victory, and anything less again raises massive questions about Agar.

after that we face Quins and Cas who are enjoying strong early season form, and Bradford and Catalan who are struggling.

When being tackled Sam Tomkins always traps the tacklers hand preventing the tackling player from rolling away fro mthe tackle. The refs fall for it week in week out.

Tbf Ullfc I expect us to win the next 6 games.

Anything else would be a poor start to the season.

who cares about effort if it gets you no points

I agree Sheldon and to me its not just the winning but the performance that matters.

I'm bothered about losing, regardless of effort

You expect us to beat Quins away as well as Cas, sorry, don't see it.

Think Quins will beat us, we nearly always struggle travelling to them. Castleford could go either way too, the way they've been playing. You're still never quite sure how Cas will perform on any given day. We could very possibly end up with only 2 wins from the opening 8 games.

Yes I do, if we don't it will be, imo, a poor start to the season.

i would look closer at some of your own teams tactics before commenting on ours, headhunting, gang tackling trying to turn the player over after the tackles were completed, sam tomkins play acting that didier drogba would be proud of, thug style rugby, and a deserved sending off

no its the other way around - you dont care about the effort when you get the points

when you dont get the points, the effort is all you can care about

Same people, that didn't go, having a pop at poor discipline. Typical. Ganson gave Sam Tomkins a penalty just for being tackled FFS. At least half of the 13 we conceded weren't.
We lost because Tickle had a brain fart offloading. Wayne Bennett couldn't of prevented that.
I'm proud of my clubs effort today, tactics were right, defense superb and the kicking game finally looked good. We'll play worse and win this year.

Yet we can play at this standard and lose against 12 men ?

I said the same about Tomkins, three times he got pens for what sounded like normal tackles, not to mention the penalty from his kick through.

Are you just refusing to accept game circumstances now?

We lost our composure after Tomkins was sent off. Tickle trying to offload, Washbrook knocking on and the missed penalty at the end, cost us.

How the hell can you honestly say that when that cocky d..k went straight in with his elbow??
I hope he gets the book thrown at him, but he'll probably get a pat on the back from the RFL, a smacked bum at the most. Don't know who he thinks he is and yes, he deserves all the rough treatment he gets well done the lads.
Why not take it to you, do you think clubs should just lay down and die, oh yes, it's Wigan you do, how very silly of me.
By the way, well done overall today to the team for more than just turning-up, apart from a handful of brainfarts, you did do us proud. Also, well said Agar.

Why all the negativity? Look on the bright side. You still have a grade A liscence, make money and have more fans than Rovers. Who cares about results against 12 men (several second choice may I add) when you have all that!!!