I did to enjoy it.
I still go to rugby games as a hobby and coach.
It was part of my social life but me and my friends just don't go now due to the performances.
I've done it since i was 5.

All of that and i have no problem not going. As i've said its the only way the board will act.

I might be blinded by my loyalty, but that is not apathy, I care alot about the club, I get upset when we lose, excited when we win, and spend lots of time and money going to watch them. I go because win or lose I enjoy the experience of supporting a team, the ups and the downs, can you not understand that?

That's a fair point, although I'm far from the first person to have used that term in relation to the Agar debate. I don't wish to stage a protest in the ground I'm just defending the right of others to do it, my protest is to not attend games while Agar remains in charge.

My issue is not with people who want to support the team 100% regardless of the bigger picture, but with those who want to wear it as some kind of badge of honour.

Sorry quoted the wrong person

So are you a passholder or not?

Every one on here loves the sport and the team but this is about a change in a coach not questioning your loyalty.
No one either expects us to win trophies every year, although it would be nice but just to be competitive and entertaining on the field.
It's just frustrating that fans don't thing Agar is the right man for the job but then don't seem willing to do anything about it and will turn up regardless.

I can understand it yes but to me that's the attitude of a Harlequins, Salford or Wakey fan. It's one thing being there through thick and thin when your club is struggling and the team is substandard, but in our case everything is geared for success if it wasn't that the board insisted on tying one hand behind the club's back with the retention of a woefully substandard coaching setup.

That's why there's so much frustration IMO. As I said the other day 'in any kind of weather' is one thing, but weather isn't self-inflicted.

Where does he say that he's indifferent to performances? Or that he lacks concern, excitement, motivation or passion? You're basically projecting your own POV onto him and others like him.

I famously don't get to many games because of personal circumstances. When I do go, the last thing I am is apathetic about the outcome or where the club is heading. I hate it when we lose, and I'm sick to death of not being able to look forward to a game with any confidence of a win or even a decent performance. But I love RL, I love the club, and just because times are hard that isn't going to change.

It's about time that people like yourself accept that attending games is not some kind of tacit acceptance of the status quo, or apathy about the situation the club finds itself in. It's just something that many fans do out of love and - yes - even passion.

It was always going to get bitter, if people wish to protest its their choice as long as its non violent and non abusive. If the fans where diplaying a banner and chanting Agar out at the match on Sunday that is upto them. I can not for the life of me understand others getting hot under the collar and throwing insults at them.

The players are going to become involved as the club will use them as part of the spin and it is going to create friction and tension between everyone involved. The fans will take sides with one camp or another, fence sittiing will become an art.

The future is looking quite grim

On Friday night the club will propably come down hard on anyone displaying signs, banners or chanting they deem "not appropriate", they will attempt to snuff out any opposition within the KC. The board are not going to remain above this and they are running the risk of driving the fans away in droves

YES, and have been for years, but am not going Friday. Like i said, i believe its the only way. A lot of people may look down on me as 'not a true fan' but iam past caring tbh, supported the club through thick and thin since 79/80. i am not happy the way the club has been run, coached and managed for a number of years and believe we are heading for a crisis if things dont change on and off the pitch, the club have taken us for granted for too long now.

Kosh, we ALL love the club that is why i am so pi$$ed off by what is happening to it!!!!!!!

But that's the point these hard times you allude too are self inflicted. I would gladly support my team through thick and thin if we were still at the Boulevard and penniless as I have done in the past but these are different times and we are now a big club whose coaching appointment does not reflect our stature.

We agree on something at last!

I agree Chris, I have paid for my pass and will be using it.

Especially when not using may not may any difference anyway.

Then stop laying into people who choose to express that passion in a different way than you'd prefer.

We're going round in circles on this one.

I don't have a problem with anyone who chooses not to attend games because they no longer get enjoyment/value for money out of it. Similarly I've no problem with people who continue to attend because that's the way they express their passion for the club. It's a personal choice.

You mean like yesterday when you said in your opinion I wasn't a fan of the club at all?

For wanting them to lose, not for attending games or otherwise. And FWIW I said that I couldn't see how you could describe yourself as a fan if you didn't want the team to win every game.

Ah I see so it's ok to lay into fans for 'expressing their passion in a different way' if they are doing it in a way that you personally don't agree with.

Gotcha



I actually agree with your point, I just don't think you're any less guilty of it than myself and others.

Not often i do but i have to agree with you on that one!! wether or not a fan agrees with the set up or owners you are still a fan , by nature you surely always want a win even if its boring and ugly??

Yep, I think the club will try to divide and conquer first, it is going to get messy! and if the club continue to back Agar they will be the biggest losers in all this.

Personally, I don't think it's as black and white as that.

If someone said to me that if we lost the next two games Agar would definitely get the sack, I'd want us to lose the next two games. I want my club to do well - as does every fan - but it all depends what we mean by 'do well'. I believe that, if Agar stays in charge, eventually, we'll start to win a few games. We might finish 6th to 8th this year and we'll probably get knocked out of the play offs at the first time of asking. If that happens, I think he'll keep his job for next year, which will be much the same. This is not my idea of doing well (given the size of the club).

Contrast that to us having five (six? seven?) straight defeats, the board being forced into sacking Agar and a new coach coming in and turning us around. At that stage, it wouldn't be too late to mount a serious challenge on 5th spot, maybe win a playoff game and build for a proper challenge next year.

To me, the benefits would be worth the short term sacrifice of another 2 or 3 defeats. I realise that no one (other than Rule, and I don't suppose he's about to) could give me such a guarantee, but if they could, I'd be more than happy to see us lose to Crusaders and Wigan.

I think everyone has differing opinions on the wanting to lose issue. I have been Anti Agar for a very long time however I personally could not go into any game hoping to lose. However I can use the fact a defeat may well lead to Agars dismissal as a cushion for the defeat.
However I can fully understand why people would be happy to see us lose X amount of games if it meant Agar was going to go. The only problem is nobody knows that magical moment when the board say enough is enough.

But there lies most of the issues, you and many others see finishing in the play offs as not good enough when all super league clubs see that as the pinicle of the season and anything after that is a bonus
we as a club do not have a given right to win silverware, yes it would be nice but in realistic terms were a bit off the pace for finals etc, but who knows where we will be in ten games thats the issue here...
at present a finish in the top 8 would do me just nice

It wouldn't for me. We finished 6th last season so anything less than that means we have gone backwards.