Both sum it up for me

You sound like James rule putting spin on Agars pathetic attempt to make us a top club. We have heard it isnt his team but Maguire,Smith and Brown have done wonders with what wasnt there team in much less time then Agar. And he has had players out and it isnt his fault Well the buck stops with him this year he knew about long and horne and still didnt find anyone. Although other coaches didnt have a problem when they went looking for a quality half.

The Squad isnt balanced and he buys a looseforward(and plays him 2nd rower yes we short there arnt we) when we need a half and a hooker and dont get me started with his interchanges.



Add to the fact we play the most dire rugby in the league and you want to give him more time



How many play off games has Agar won in his time in charge since taking over from Sharp?

Lordy. Wakey's bench hooker becomes our first choice 7.

First of all, dire is a strong word to use, in reality we are probably slap bang in the middle of the league when it comes to quality of our play, there are plenty of better sides, but we are a long long way from being the worst. Secondly the three coaches you mentioned (argueably Brown aside) took over clubs with much better players than Agar had when he took over us and they havn't had the bad luck that Agar has had. Wigan were on the verge of something great anyway and Warrington, despite underachieving, had a quality squad and it was probably Lowes' ineptitude that held them back.

I agree that Fitz, especially as captain, has to be proffesional and back his coach and team mates, but I also think his comments are genuine, he has spoken highly of Agar since he came here and whilst he's not going to come out and lay into Agar I don't think he would talk him up so much if he didn't believe what he was saying.

when i was first told,i thought it was to go back to saints,but apparently,that isn't the case,as he will just pack up now!!he has said he thought he would have more input regarding coaching,as most of us were under the impression,this was meant to happen,but obv not.Don't know anything about him falling out with webster,and my saints friend,said he has never mentioned james,so admit in that respect i know nothing,but i believe my friend saying what she did.Gary Wheeler is on a booze warning there too(tanseyesque!!!!)

You put Agar in charge of any of them three teams and they would have gone backwards for sure. Agar is totally out of his depth

I'm not trying to put spin on it or talk him up, I just think people are overreacting to a bad run, at least let's wait until we can line up a top class replacement eh?

I firmly belive we are in a better place now than we were when Agar stepped into the job, how much further he can take us I don't know, he hasn't been the unmitigated disaster that some claim.

Is Fitz on the "payroll"?

No, he's brought his family over for 2 years to play for nothing.

Ant he got a chrysler car thrown in for his efforts.

Yeah but only a second hand one, it used to be Paul Sculthorpe's I believe.

Are we going to have a Long-is-leaving rumour every week?

It looks that way.

people can say what they like,but my friend told me what she knew!! and her brother use to drink with him and scully on a sunday night in st helens,and she is an honest lass so i believe what her brother has told her.

You think he'd walk out on a well paid job? To do what?

I'm not having a go but this just sounds like the usual bollox we get when we have a bad run of results. It's only a week since Long was alleged to have chucked it at half time and lo and behold he's in the squad for tomorrow.

If he is so ed off why is he playing tomorrow?

Good post, god forbid that a coach should be judged against the standards set by the 3 coaches that preceded him



Jimmy Rule will be glad to know the spin is still working in some small quarters.

Thanks for all the kind words in this thread, I'm not used to so many people agreeing with me

to be fair your assessments are pretty much spot on and what most people are feeling right now, a win tomorrow changes nothing for me in regards to agar, I still believe we need a shake up!

Is it true that the club left straight after the game in cardiff with no rehab session, no meal and a stop on the way back for some fast food?

If it is then the unprofessionalism at the club is endemic and runs from top down. Smacks of penny pinching to me and no wonder we're poor on the pitch if it really is the case

Yes it is. They did the same after Murrayfield last season aswell despite having a hotel booked. Hence some of the players texting "Agar out" on their way home. Some things dont seem to change.

don't shoot the messenger

time will tell i suppose?

Yes, time will tell that it's bull.

Long: "Jimmy, I've had enough, I was promised a coaching input and I've not had one. I'm leaving. Next week. I'm available for Sunday, though, OK?"

are you arrogant with every fecker!!!

99% of rumours on here are bull,but hey,you contribute to plenty

I'm not being arrogant but if you are going to post a rumour be prepared to have it questioned. Feel free to quote me on any rumour I've posted.

So the spin begins..................

I thought they may leave it alone for a while or even not bother, but they seem to want to engage the fans now. They brought the big guns out early as well must really have the wind up now.