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| Quote ="Dobbo Hull"DW guys.
I'm a computer buff
When the petition is ready to sign, i'll export all the signatures into CSV, I can send the names and e-mails, and comments, or just the Names and E-mails (and selected comments) to the hull board. (Most probably end up sending it as a .PDF format.
[uOr i can simply filter the words on excel such as "friend,love,bitch,loving,love" etc.[/u'"
I wouldn't do that. Anything that is remotely abusive (even if it is "loving bitch"icon_wink.gif will be dismissed out of hand.
Quote ="Dobbo Hull"Do you really think i'm going to send it like it is to the directors, although I feel like doing so, because all the names what they have been called by some fans, is fecking true.
Lewis'"
You see, I don't think they are. Perhaps the "sh*te coach" style comments are (although they could be worded far more appropriately), but I don't think Agar is a "c***", or any of the other abusive names he's been called.
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| Quote ="Dobbo Hull"Im filtering some of the fake and duplicate signatures now aswell.
I'll do as many as possible, although it would be better to filter through them towards the end of the petition, that way it's not a constant task.
lewis'"
I'm guessing this one is not all it would seem. (Although you can't blame her for looking after her man).
[iName: Mrs Agar on Feb 19, 2011
Comments: Give the poor man a chance, he's doing his best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/i
Seriously being in the same boat not a bad idea, you could just take Mcrea back from us
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Sure. For a start, I think the bit about player recruitment has to go. Many people would argue that this has been one of Agar's stronger areas. Mistakes have been made, I think, but there have been some successes as well.
I think the bit about 'all other SL teams' having a top quality proven SL coach has to go as well, as it's not true.
I also thinki the statement needs to be less emotional. I appreciate that emotions are running high at the moment, but it doesn't come across well in a petition that's intended to be presented to the board.
I'd stick to a very general statement about how the off-field set up is not being matched by results (and performances) on the field and how Agar seems unable to get the best out of a decent group of players.
I've never drafted a petition before, but I'd go something along these lines:
[iWe, the undersigned, wish to petition for the immediate removal of Richard Agar from his position as Head Coach of Hull FC. We do so on the following grounds:
1) That performances throughout his tenure have not been of an acceptable standard given the playing staff as his disposal. Lack of support play, poor defensive line speed, lack of any discernible attacking structure and the tendency for our edge defence to be exposed have been features of our play for the entire time that Richard Agar has been in charge of the first team. There has been little to no improvement in these areas.
2) The interchanges executed by the coach seem to make little sense. Some players seem to be forced into playing many more minutes than they ought to whilst others play only for very short spells to the detriment of the overall team performance.
3) Agar seems unable to motivate his players for big games. The recent derbies and the last two home games against Leeds are standout examples of this, but there have been many throughout Agar's tenure.
4) Most fans watch rugby league for entertainment. Our style of rugby under Richard Agar has been anything other than entertaining. We are also amongst the most expensive team to watch in the entire competition. It is time that the standard of entertainment improved to reflect this fact.
5) Off the field, we are a top-performing club. We have one of the highest average attendances in Super League and excellent merchandise sales. We are constantly reminded of our 'Grade-A' licence status, yet, when it comes to results on the field, we're no better than Grade B or C.
We, as loyal fans of Hull FC, will support this club through thick and thin provided we know that those running the club are doing everything within their power to bring us the success we deserve. As things stand, we feel that this is not the case. Until Richard Agar is replaced with a top-quality coach with a proven track record of success, the feeling amongst the signatories below will be that you are doing both the club and the fans a great disservice. [/i
That's just off the top of my head and others might have a better idea of how it ought to be structured than I. Any input is welcome...'"
2. has to go for me... I'm a fan and as a fan I have opinions but I do not work in RL so cannot comment on interchanges or the finer tactical detail which, despite what some on here think, only those directly involved in the game are placed to argue for or against. The coach ain't doing his job.... FACT. I think all the other points are well made.
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| Someone should actually start a petition about Hetherington & Rule, the real cancer in our club.... Ask those that work there.
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| To be honest you have hit the nail on the head there. Do you really, honestly have enough faith in your board that they will replace the current coach with anything better?
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| I appreciate the effort and sentiment that is put into this petition (even though I haven't read it), however it is very difficult for people in a private orgainisation to be sacked due to a petition. Calling for the sacking of a person in a public position would work, but unfortunately this is not the case. A form of action such as boycotting (not the best due to the damage it may do to the club financially), a sit in after the game, showing solidaroty by organising people to wear plain white t-shirts with a simple slogan like "Agar goes or I do...."!
To add to this the comment about Kath and Rule is very poignent, these guys are the one consistent in our failings. We are a big club, with a good financial situation however due to wage strcutures, and our insistence on making money instead of making a sucessful club is frustrating. People in the game know how bad they are and as such stay away.
Sorry for my first post to be a rant, but after the start so far it has to be said.
BUT if I am honest I am so pleased and proud to be a supporter of THE best Hull team, it could always be worse things could be red and white.
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| Or how about getting AGAR OUT on the back of your shirts ?
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| Quote ="PAC"Or how about getting AGAR OUT on the back of your shirts ?'"
That would be pathetic imo.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"That would be pathetic imo.'"
Very.
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| Quote ="Lord God"2. has to go for me... I'm a fan and as a fan I have opinions but I do not work in RL so cannot comment on interchanges or the finer tactical detail which, despite what some on here think, only those directly involved in the game are placed to argue for or against. '"
I would disagree. It doesn't take Wayne Bennet to see that playing a 34-year-old for 80 minutes every week in what is basically a prop's role is going to take its toll eventually. You don't need your SL coaching badge to see that playing another one of our 'props' (actually a second row playing as a prop) for about fifteen minutes a game is a bit of a waste. No other SL coach seems to utilise some of the baffling bench rotations Agar does - they can't all be wrong, can they?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"That would be pathetic imo.'"
Whilst it's not a course of action I would undertake, I don't really see how it's any more 'pathetic' than any other form of visual protest. What difference does it make whether you've got 'Agar out' on your shirt or on an old bed sheet?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"That would be pathetic imo.'"
Disagree really it is a form of protest, maybe a bit extreme but then only winning 3 games from the last 10 and letting him carry on is extreme imo.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Whilst it's not a course of action I would undertake, I don't really see how it's any more 'pathetic' than any other form of visual protest. What difference does it make whether you've got 'Agar out' on your shirt or on an old bed sheet?'"
You might want to wear a shirt on a non match day, it would look silly with that on it. What happens once he has gone. I stand by my original comment.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"You might want to wear a shirt on a non match day, it would look silly with that on it. [uWhat happens once he has gone[/u. I stand by my original comment.'"
Get the iron on the letters!
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| Quote ="PAUL M"You might want to wear a shirt on a non match day, it would look silly with that on it. What happens once he has gone. I stand by my original comment.'"
Maybe they don't wear replica shirts except to a match? Or maybe they can afford two shirts?... I wouldn't do it myself for the reasons you mentioned but if people want to then it's not 'pathetic' at all. You could argue that it makes quite a statement to the club i.e you're willing to put money into the club by buying merchandise, but you feel so strongly about the head coach situation that you're willing to permanently mark the replica with your protest.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Get the iron on the letters!'"
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| Quote ="PAUL M"You might want to wear a shirt on a non match day, it would look silly with that on it. What happens once he has gone. I stand by my original comment.'"
So, it might take away the opportunity for you to wear your shirt whilst you're out shopping and will ruin your shirt for when Agar has gone. Some might consider that an acceptable sacrifice (I wouldn't personally, but some might). Whilst it might be unwise to spoil a £40 shirt for what will (hopefully) be a short term campaign, I still don't see how it's any more 'pathetic' than other forms of visual protest.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"Maybe they don't wear replica shirts except to a match? Or maybe they can afford two shirts?... I wouldn't do it myself for the reasons you mentioned but if people want to then it's not 'pathetic' at all. You could argue that it makes quite a statement to the club i.e you're willing to put money into the club by buying merchandise, but you feel so strongly about the head coach situation that you're willing to permanently mark the replica with your protest.'"
Do you reckon the club shop would be willing to do the printing for any interested parties?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Do you reckon the club shop would be willing to do the printing for any interested parties?'"
No - think this has been mentioned before with Anti-Cooke shirts etc.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"So, it might take away the opportunity for you to wear your shirt whilst you're out shopping and will ruin your shirt for when Agar has gone. Some might consider that an acceptable sacrifice (I wouldn't personally, but some might). Whilst it might be unwise to spoil a £40 shirt for what will (hopefully) be a short term campaign, I still don't see how it's any more 'pathetic' than other forms of visual protest.'"
I suppose you could use last season shirt...by the way the club never did Hullbugs as far as I am aware.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Do you reckon the club shop would be willing to do the printing for any interested parties?'"
At £10 a go for number/letter combo, why not?
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| Quote ="Chris28"At £10 a go for number/letter combo, why not?'"
merchandise sales would go through the roof
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"No - think this has been mentioned before with Anti-Cooke shirts etc.'"
I didn't actually think they might.
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