Training Facilities: I'm sure since Rule has been in place we've had a couple of deals to build one. Firstly we had an agreement with the Uni, whereby they provided the land and we built the facilities (I'm sure Wilf knew all the detailson this one. That one fell through at no fault of the club. Secondly was the Boulevard development in a deal with the NHS I believe(?), again fallen through, and not at the fault of the club as far as I'm aware. The club simply can't afford to buy the land AND build a brand new facility, we need a partner to invest. Also, it's not asif the club isn't trying to get it's own facility.

Squad quality: We definately do have the quality in our squad, we just don't have the depth. No halfback cover has been brought in, but you could say the club saw Nicklas as that backup, as well as Turner. Still one maybe two players needed, but only as squad players IMO.

Salary cap: For all you know we were nearing full cap before Berro left. Caders gone & replaced by Sharp; Cussack and Hall's salary out, Westerman in. So I'd say that's about right. Burnett, Berro & Tansey left afterwards, Phelps in, so we still have space on there should a player become available, and I suspect the club are still looking.

Inexperienced coach: There are definately more inexperienced coached out there, and based on league position, Agar is the best British coach out there

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Youngsters: Yes, we've not brought through too many in recent years (except for Briscoe & Houghton) which you could put down to KR now being in SL. We have Lyne, Cunningham, J.Briscoe, Williams, who could all make the step up this year. We've signed youngsters from Scotland and Cumbria, so were doing our share of scouting.

Ambition: Paying out transfer fees for young British players is certainly ambition, and investing for the future. As is setting up the Sirius Academy, Jets programme. As fir Agar, the club believe they have their man, and it 's quite admirable how they've stuck by him and backup him with these transfers. I think this season will be his last chance though.

You need to chill out mate and think back to how things were 11 years ago. Yes, there are problems but it's not as though the club aren't trying to iron them out.

Well said.

Still think hes a pathetic attention seeker attempting to provoke reaction and get his flock rallied though.

Well said! I know owning our own training facility is the way forward and on the agenda but why the rush to leave what is an excellent facility at Ionians? Cracking set up for lower grade games and probably preferable for our out of town players travelling down the M62 every day.

Great points made there.

Jake's already sat in Parkers waiting for the meeting to become quorate.

There is no question they would not have a couple of million spare floating around but as a well run club posting profit year on year there is no way a bank or funding body would not offer to back a development scheme.

They were close to Uni until......well, lets just say they were close to getting a training facility at Hull Uni

I think that you need to raise your expectations a little bit !!!



Have you actually got any clue at all how big our club is in the English game ??



We're not Salford, Wakefield or HKR FFS !

I wonder what happend to the Rugby Union club that used to play at Wigans training facility......Wigan got handed that after Whelan and Lindsey shafted Orrell RU and a mysterious fire broke out.

What is it the club haven't done or made steps towards that you think they should?

Great Post this, very valid and worthwhile points made. I personally think Hull have more important things to worry about than owning their own training ground ATM. Most RL clubs run at a loss, ours does not but that shows that the board are sensible with the revenue created at Hull Fc. Why go out and blow it on something that won't create revenue?
I like to train and keep fit, I pay a subscription to a gym to do this, I have no intention of building one in my back garden. The money in my bank is used for better things.

VERY WELL PUT.....!! Our problems are not an overnight fix but we are certinly moving in the right direction!!

See my post on the last page of the Phelps thread. That pretty much covers it.

As far as challenging for honours go, we have become a laughing stock !

How many clubs actually own there own ground.....so we have a training pitch and bankrupt the club,which i think you would be glad to see in a pervase way.......only thing we need is a damn fine coach and thats us sorted.

OR WOULD YOU SOONER SEE US RETURN TO THE WALSH/LlOYD ERA.

So your only issues with the club are to do with the squad really? It's not as though the club aren't trying to sign players and are happy with what we have, and they're probaby just as frustrated as us lot.

Our 1-17 isn't that bad! But our sqad depth is. We've got a fair bit of cap space free I imagine, so it's a case of being patient I think. The club are definately still looking.

I accept that the club have looked and are still looking but why does a big club like ours consistently fail to put a squad together that can actually seriously challenge at the top of SL ? This season's squad is a mid-table squad again but when the injuries kick in, we'll once again blame "bad luck".

Something has got to be wrong hasn't it ? It can't all be "bad luck".

hull fc..happy go lucky team with some very mediocre players...hoping for atop 8 finish or final appearance at best...
warrington.....wanted success, so bought top top players which made them back to back challenge cup winners and my bet for the title....

simple really...

We didn't need to get rid of Dowes and Radford. Radford is a very good player whose work goes unnoticed sometimes, Underrated IMO. Dowes isn't awesome but you cannot have a complete team of world class players, some need to be average. We have more options in the forwards now to move things around.


It's not like we haven't tried, we just need the right player to come along FOR COVER. 2011 is to be our main recruitment drive and we cannot risk getting that one wrong.


Whiting is likely to be our right centre as most people seem to want so don't see where 'FAILED' comes into it..


Again we are trying, but don't spend the money for the sake of spending it.. Good players can come available during the season.


Not yet we haven't, any cover HB coming in can do this role and i think it will happen.


We needed Sharp to replace Calders and i think he's a very good signing, he should play more games. Westerman allows us to spell Fitz who everybody said was overplayed last year. And with regards Phelps, he wasn't a player that 'nobody wants' but quota restrictions meant most clubs couldn't sign him and the ones that can don't need players in that position.. My only worry is his fitness, but i will support him to the full while he wears black and white.


You're starting to with comments like these!!

Get a grip, pal.

And you think they are playing within the cap??

you are seriously deluded if you think we will be challenging with this crop of players.....id be amazed of we even make wigan and co. break sweat.....

doesnt matter tho does it...theve spent big and won big..we have not...dont forget its us that got caught fiddling the cap afew years back not wire!!!

Getting Smith as coach did that as they had the players under Cullen and Lowes.

Last year we came within a game of 4th place, despite injuries, playing awfully at times and dropping points in games we should be winning. If that's what we can do in a crap season, what can we do in a decent season?

Good luck with injuries in key positions, a decent signing before May (someone always becomes available) and who knows.