I agree, I cannot think of one player who he has improved tbh, yet taking that into account, plus the fact Morgan dropped down the league, and has won nothing he is considered the better coach

The 1st 3 - agreed, but the later 2 have improved mainly due to getting more game time. Hodgson was never a 1st teamer at your place so it's natural he will improve by getting a regular spot in a SL 17. Perhaps the jury is still out on Wheeldon, the next 2 years may tell.

I'm still scratching my head as to who this ONE player Morgan produced is?

You appear to only be capable of judging coaching ability on trophy count alone.

Answer me this, who is considered the better of these two Managers: Brian Clough or Kenny Dalglish

Shaun Briscoe has being massive for Rovers and would without doubt be one of the 1st names on the teamsheet.

Chester was a quality player in Rovers colours and I can't say a bad thing about him some of the things he produced where world class He's still at Rovers and doing a great job coaching.

Cooke could have being awesome for Rovers but Hull fans will always have a sour taste when his name is mentioned. Truth about Cookie is with his performance against Salford in 2007 and then followed by the display against Hull the week after he simply kept us in Super League which is what I'll always remember him for.

Hodgson has gone from an academy player of the year to a Rovers 1st team player how he doesn't appear to be a better player now is madness.

Wheeldon is an average player, when we signed him he was an average player. To think he'll be anything more then average is madness. He'll do a good job but he'll never be outstanding.

No Easty claims Agar has only prdocued/developed ONE player, Tom Briscoe inhis opinion.

You see more that I do obviously and I genuinely hope that Hodgson does well. I could see why he left Hull at the time because he was third in the pecking order, now that Berrigan has gone, it seems he acted a little hastily.

Now your changing what I've being saying. They take credit in there development. Look back I've never argued that. But in producing or unearthing talent no they don't that comes before the 1st team coach even sets eyes on them.

Do I ?

How come I have mentioned league postition and producing/developing players then, maybe you should read the full thread

What are you on about? Where have i claimed Agar has only developed one player, Link me exactly where I've said that?

Yet you repeatedly insist Morgan is over-rated 'cos he's won nothing?

=#0000FFBut you haven't said how they have improved. Briscoe was excellent at Hull, Chester was also a class act at Hull, Cooke won a Challenge cup at Hull and led the team around the pitch, Hodgson was a kid third-in-line for the hooking role and Wheeldon was no worse than he is now. I don't see how Morgan has improved any of them. Admittedly it might be difficult to judge with Hodgson who had plenty of potential but was never going to usurp the two ahead of him unless they got injured.

Agar has by far been the most important person in Briscoes development.

and has not produced/devloped a player, oh and dropped league positions

I never watched them week in week out at Hull FC. I can only comment about there performances at Rovers. Similar to yourself not being able to watch them week in week out and only being able to judge them on how they performed at Hull. and how they now perform in derbies and the odd game on sky.

Well if the debate is switching to players whom coaches have improved during their tenure, I can certainly offer the following:

Ben Cockayne - rookie at Donny in 2005, now a SL regular
Scott Murrell - academy player at Leeds - SL regular and England train on squad member in 2010
Peter Fox - decent player at Wakey, England international since joining Rovers
Kris Welham - academy player to SL regular
Michael Dobson - great player when he joined, but improved his consisentcy and significantly improved defence.
Ben Fisher - NL standard hooker gone on to top 100 SL appearances, scorer of great play off tries!


Liam Watts - Cas academy to nominee for YPOTY in SL last year - shortlist of 3

Rovers academy has produced Kris Welham and Morgan has to be applauded in the development of Kris Welham and Liam Watts. We've also got a player of the calibre of Kristian Bell coming through which with game time Morgan can hopefully develop and bring on to be a future 1st team player.

Considering that he was signed as one of the brightest prospects in the game, do you think that T. Briscoe's development has actually been that good? He's got great strength and speed, and I'd love him at Rovers, don't get me wrong. If he can pass he could be a fanastic centre. His selections for England though have IMO [uin part[/u been as a development player, based, again [uin part[/u on his reputation as junior. Especially in 2009, when he was injured for much of the year. Even last year he was suspect defensively ([ithat[/i tackle on Fox was more dramatic than brilliant - when you watch it back our slow passing makes it a half chance for Fox, at best) at times. Still not 21, of course and he undoubtedly has the raw talent to kick on again.

Houghton, I agree has really flourished under Agar.

"that tackle" was one of several such tackles. I think he made a similar tackle in the Four Nations (I have been ill so this could be pure dillusion)

Yes but I also base it on what I hear from Rovers supporters. Anyway, whether he can develop players or not does not necessarily make somone a better or worse coach of a team of developed players. I think it's difficult to say which of the two coaches is better as their results have not been too dissimilar.

Disagree about Kris Welham. His improvment is more about his own personal will to succeed than anything else. He is NOT a product of Rovers acadamy.

Morgan can take plenty of praise about the way he has developed Liam Watts though. His poor attitude meant he was overlooked by most clubs and discarded by Cas, but Morgan seems to have transformed him both as a player and a person.

totally agree..just another mouthy aussie doing a brit out of a job..it would be interesting to see how he would cope with an injury crisis.up to now hes been really lucky in that department..he would make a fantastic double glazing salesman though!!!!!!!!!!

Last season we had alot of our backs out. At one stage we Had Cochayne at FB Charnley from Wigan and Sam Latus at centre.

People forget we had Welham, Colbon, Webster & Chev Walker out for alot of the season, And Briscoe out for 5 weeks.

You're right and Webster was your 6

Well i agree with you Lyn.