So going by your rules that would mean newcastle are a bigger club than say chelsea more fans/season ticket holders shirt sales . for me it really goes by what differant fans think the criterea is. big gates ,merchendise ,making money or competing on all fronts ,signing top players/manager winning things .we'll have to agree to differ but i know what i'd rather sing on the terraces
"we've gone and won the cup "
"champions champions" or
"we've got more fans than you"
"we sell more shirts than you"

Well thats your opinion isn't it? Its certainly not down to what you chant though North Ferriby fans would be chanting we've won the Cup if they had, it still would not make a big club though, but it would make them successful. Yeh I think that Newcastle probably are a big club simply because of their standing in the whole City, their gates when times are bad, the season tickets they sell even after they are relegated etc etc. However Chelsea are both a big club and a successful one!

Shame you can't sing any of them, eh?

Indeed. But for those gentleman and others who took a similar view, Hull FC would have been playing in the bottom division the following season. Who knows how long it would have taken us to get out of there or get into Super League.

I wonder if they ever regretted voting as they did?

But we can always sing" old faithful you'll never win at Wembley"

Bless!

But we can always sing" old faithful you'll never win at Wembley"



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Who are ya?


On topic,can we begrudge Carvell his success with Wire?
When he went I admit I thought he had took a gamble. It`s paid off for him. I just wish he hadn`t buggered us about.

If he just left then he would have gone with my best wishes, however he messed us around big time and cost us some potential signings.

At least Tickle has stayed for some silverware

What are odds on Hull winning anything with Agar in charge ?

66-1

Quote ="hkrovers"I don't let facts get in the way of my hdm style hatchet job '" As I said we may not be successful, but this is what Big clubs do because they have a big fan base, and big stadiums! www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=6716

Quote ="hkrovers"I don't let facts get in the way of my hdm style hatchet job '" As I said we may not be successful, but this is what Big clubs do because they have a big fan base, and big stadiums! www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=6716

Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"As I said we may not be successful, but this is what Big clubs do because they have a big fan base, and big stadiums! www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=6716'" remember when they did that about 4 years ago at home to Cas, everyone got excited and the gate was 11k!

Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"As I said we may not be successful, but this is what Big clubs do because they have a big fan base, and big stadiums! www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=6716'" remember when they did that about 4 years ago at home to Cas, everyone got excited and the gate was 11k!

Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"As I said we may not be successful, but this is what Big clubs do because they have a big fan base, and big stadiums! www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=6716'" Big club??? I think you're more obsessed with getting more fans through the gate than actually winning anything. You rent a football stadium off the council and as a result of this have attracted more "KC fans" due to facilities etc. I certainly don't remember the Boulevard been full every week. Big clubs demand success and achieve it on a regular basis, to this end both Hull and Rovers don't even come into the equation. They are like the Newcastle and Sunderland's of the football world. Your Wigan's and Leeds are on a completely different level.

Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"As I said we may not be successful, but this is what Big clubs do because they have a big fan base, and big stadiums! www.hullfc.com/hullfc/contents/?p=6716'" Big club??? I think you're more obsessed with getting more fans through the gate than actually winning anything. You rent a football stadium off the council and as a result of this have attracted more "KC fans" due to facilities etc. I certainly don't remember the Boulevard been full every week. Big clubs demand success and achieve it on a regular basis, to this end both Hull and Rovers don't even come into the equation. They are like the Newcastle and Sunderland's of the football world. Your Wigan's and Leeds are on a completely different level.

When was the last time Wigan won a major trophy?

The three biggest clubs in the game are Leeds, Wigan and Hull FC. Not the three most successful in recent years, but the biggest nonetheless and you know it.

SPot on view,

It took us a while to get to the stage we were, we were well above Warrington at one point, we were happy to exist in SL and we didnt spend enough to replace Cooke properly which was the catalyst for a massive downfall, as it stands we are not doing enough to get back to this stage, probabally becuase of the franchise system and the fact that Hull fans will buy season tickets and turn up regardless.

Im not saying that this isnt a sensible approach, and there is a very good argument that living within your means is much better long term then going for broke in the hunt for throphies, but we will just gave to face up to not being able to compete with the likes of Saints, Wigan, Wire and Leeds, becuase we simply cant.

well hindsights a wonderfull thing...i think the club would cover there ars-s a bit better these days.i disagree with the ..not doing enough.. bit i honestley believe we are not that far off competing with the big four on a regular basis.a couple of quality signings and injury free run and ive no doubt we,d be up there.what we lack compared to sts etc is strength in depth.thats what we really need to work on.and im sure the club have this in hand.

I gotta agree with ya there..
SImple thing is we were in a bad state and whether we like it or not JR nd RA have improvemed the situation on the field massively in a short time while still keeping financial stability..
The fact is a lot of people are expecting far more, to soon..

Thats apart of the problem, another problem is some fans seem to think we have a god given right to win everything, have the best coach the best players, fans and beer!. If the cap keeps kicking in as it is doing, there is going to be alot of dissapointed people. One week you may win and1 you may lose. Finish top one season then bottom the next.

True..
Even if we did have the 'best' of everything mentioned above, you could guarantee some people would still find the negative points...

You + expro messages are very similar ????

HAha and is there a point you are making bud..