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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"Er, you were the one who suggested that tactics could be employed to neutralise Briscoe's attacking threat. It's not incumbent upon anyone else to say what those tactics might be.'"
Well shirked young man - the spotlight was glaring in the eyes and you had a chance to shine - but bitched out. Bravo!
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I think I would prioritise stopping Houghton running riot around the ruck first. The fact we dont tend to get the ball wide on a regular basis means that any gameplan would have other priorities. If you really want to concentrate on stopping the winger getting the ball you need to cut off the supply and move up quickly but then this leaves you exposed in other ways.'"
I agree - but did i not suggest moving up quickly.
How would you cut off the supply?
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| Quote ="NorthernStar"Well shirked young man - the spotlight was glaring in the eyes and you had a chance to shine - but bitched out. Bravo!'"
What the hell are you talking about? Show me where I have suggested that coaches should neutralise Briscoe and I'll happily suggest some tactics.
[iYou[/i said that such tactics could be employed, it's up to [iyou[/i to say how.
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| Quote ="NorthernStar"as someone stated before - its called playing to your strengths - if youev 2 top class wingers, you'll get the ball to them more. Am i not right?
Im prepared to admit that maybe its not a tactic people would advocate. Thats fine by me. Im no master tactician - but as im being slated by yourself - i can only assume you know better..........so educate me.
What tactic would you use to neatralise a threat like Tom Briscoe.
This is the 2nd time ive asked - dont tell me im wrong - if you dont know whats right!
Cos thats hypocrtitical.'"
You need to have the players capable of getting the ball to them in the first place.
Lets get this straight, YOU stated its basic strategy to stop Briscoe which is why we dont get the ball outwide. The whole basis of your theory is that its easy to stop the ball getting to Briscoe so we dont bother. Its therefore upto you to back this up, I'm not going to try and help prove your point for you.
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| I didnt suggest its easy to stop the ball getting to Brsicoe - all i said was it would a be a major area of focus by oppo coaches to snuff out the biggest threat.
The flip side being - if i was Agar - and i knew oppo coaches wanted to keep the ball away from Brsicoe - id be an idiot if i did employed a tactic fully in the knowledge it was going to be snuffed out. You try and work your way around the oppo plans.
I said i didnt know what tactic they'd employ, i offered one myself, and between the two of you, you have suggested its horsesh*t - im man enough to take that on the chin.
If i havent proved it - then so be it. Im not gonna lose any sleep over it, or let my blood boil. Its a discussion, sometimes youre right, sometimes your wrong.
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| Quote ="NorthernStar"if youev 2 top class wingers, you'll get the ball to them more. Am i not right?'"
In theory yes.
In reality not necessarily.
We've had top class wingers before who've hardly ever had a decent pass.
It depends upon the make up of the rest of the team, which style of play suits it best and most importantly having centres who can give good ball to your wingers.
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| Quote ="NorthernStar"
The flip side being - if i was Agar - and i knew oppo coaches wanted to keep the ball away from Brsicoe - id be an idiot if i did employed a tactic fully in the knowledge it was going to be snuffed out. You try and work your way around the oppo plans.
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You'd be a fool to use one of your main attacking weapons because you know the opposition coach would be trying to defend against it? Really?
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"You'd be a fool to use one of your main attacking weapons because you know the opposition coach would be trying to defend against it? Really?'"
That must be why Lesley Vainakolo never scored any trys....oh wait.
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| Quote ="NorthernStar"I didnt suggest its easy to stop the ball getting to Brsicoe - all i said was it would a be a major area of focus by oppo coaches to snuff out the biggest threat.
The flip side being - if i was Agar - and i knew oppo coaches wanted to keep the ball away from Brsicoe - id be an idiot if i did employed a tactic fully in the knowledge it was going to be snuffed out. You try and work your way around the oppo plans.
I said i didnt know what tactic they'd employ, i offered one myself, and between the two of you, you have suggested its horsesh*t - im man enough to take that on the chin.
If i havent proved it - then so be it. Im not gonna lose any sleep over it, or let my blood boil. Its a discussion, sometimes youre right, sometimes your wrong.'"
Just so we are all clear.
Your theory is that the reason we dont get the ball wide is that other teams have recognised our big threat comes down the wings (s) so have set up a gameplan to stop that happening. This in turn has been noticed by Agar so he in turn has come up with a gameplan of simply not bothering trying to get it wide. Your answer to this problem is to bring in another top class winger to replace the England International winger we have on the right so that we have a dual threat and will therefore allow Agar to go back to the free-flowing rugby he is famous for and get the ball wide as often as poosible.
Is that right?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Just so we are all clear.
Your theory is that the reason we dont get the ball wide is that other teams have recognised our big threat comes down the wings (s) so have set up a gameplan to stop that happening. This in turn has been noticed by Agar so he in turn has come up with a gameplan of simply not bothering trying to get it wide. Your answer to this problem is to bring in another top class winger to replace the England International winger we have on the right so that we have a dual threat and will therefore allow Agar to go back to the free-flowing rugby he is famous for and get the ball wide as often as poosible.
Is that right?'"
I was just having a drink of coke when I read that. You .
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| Quote ="The Brother"Agree, altought there is no chance he will be here next season'"
I'll be gutted to see him go.Showed last night just why we have missed him.
Awful,awful luck with injuries this season.
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| Its a double edged sword, you have a strong flank, so want to attack down that side, but on the flip side, the defence know where to concentrate their focus because its easier to defend something when you know where its going to start from!
If you split the attention of the defence, so they dont know whether its left or right, it become harder to defend.
Surely thats logical?
If its not - then i wont persist.
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| Maybe next season we should have a camouflage kit so the opposition wont know where any of our players are coming from at all??
Moving the ball left or right isnt the answer to making the opposition think its the use of dummy/angled runners and having options either side of the ball carrier. If we go left the oppositions defence go left, if we go right so does the defence as just about all teams adopt a sliding defence.
I know I have a cunning plan lets get them to put their boots on the wrong feet then the opposition wont know which is left or right.
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| Fair enough - i'll pipe down now.
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| will be sad to see him go but who does agar have in mind surley he will be bringing someone else in? 1 player who said he would like to come to yorkshire and is out of contract is will sharp but is he good enough?
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"icon_lol.gif
I was just having a drink of coke when I read that. You lover.'"
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| Quote ="Chris71"Maybe next season we should have a camouflage kit so the opposition wont know where any of our players are coming from at all??
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Are Klingon cloaking devices allowed?
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| No apparently not under the Intergalatic Federation Regulations, but ISC have a new range of Harry Potter Invisible Cloaks coming out shortly.
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| Thought he had a good game apart from his knock on, what we've been missing on the wing, genuine pace.
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| Quote ="Chris71"No apparently not under the Intergalatic Federation Regulations, [ubut ISC have a new range of Harry Potter Invisible Cloaks coming out shortly.'" [/u
Brilliant!
I think that they are already in the shops............. but I hav'nt seen them!
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| is this thread serious? he's S.A.F!
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| I'd have been happy for Calders to get a one year deal given an injury free run but it sounds like he's on his way.
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| Quote ="Bighead"is this thread serious? he's S.A.F!'"
Swarthy and fast?
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| poop as love
i actually typed that as it appears, no need for foul language at three in the afternoon
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| Showed great character to come back from his howler. Another of our mavericks.
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