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Hi Phil
As a Hull FC supporter I and many others have been "discussing" our injury crisis. Our ongoing ,for 3 years, injury crisis. Is it bad luck or something else. Our discussion carries opinions about poor conditioning , playing players that are injured , pain killers , poor recruitment , etc right through to God hating Hull FC!! I wondered whether we in fact are simply imagining that FC are sufferring more than most other clubs and whether stats which would show the number of player/games lost for each club over the last three seasons to date are available? Does that sort of info exist? It may quash some theories or raise some concerns. Of course it's not just the number of injuries and their duration but which players it affects , ie , those in key positions or general "troops" but it would nonetheless be interesting to see. It should be pretty even if the law of probability applies. If it's not then are there reasons why some teams get more injuries than others , could we learn from those that get fewer and are injuries in fact generally getter more commonplace in the game , if so should we be doing more about it? Thought it was something you could get your "statistical teeth" into and either fan the flames of our debate or put them out!
I look forward to your response.
Many thanks
Kind regards'"
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| Quote ="hullbg"All those points are fine but it does not explain why we seem to suffer with a hell of a lot more injuries than other teams.'"
This season we have been no worse or better than Leeds, Wakey, Quins etc |
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But it is not just this season. It is the last 3 seasons.
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| Quote ="hullbg"But it is not just this season. It is the last 3 seasons.'"
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| Quote ="EXPRO"This season we have been no worse or better than Leeds, Wakey, Quins etc'"
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| Quote ="Trawlerman"Sorry it’s a bit long but I don’t think we are responding as a club to the injuries we seem to have had for three years. IMO injuries can be due to five main reasons.
1 Luck – there is no doubt that luck plays a part in injuries but to have similar issues for three years in a row would suggest that there is more to it that just bad luck.
2 Age – whilst I don’t have any statistics to prove this I believe it is fairly widely agreed that as a sportsman passes the age of 30 injuries do seem to be more common and the recovery period longer.
3 Technique – In a contact sport such as Rugby League the way you go into contact has to have some effect on the hits to the body. For example if you are upright with an open chest you will eventually take a hit to the rib cage that causes injury.
4. Preparation and warm up – Warm up and stretching before a game is vital as is maintaining that flexibility created in the warm up whilst on the bench waiting to be called upon. Take Louaki (sp) for example, warms up before the Quins game then has 5/10minutes in the changing rooms followed by 10 minutes sat on the bench. Enters the game and within seconds has pulled a muscle in his calf.
5. Tactics – If you play rugby league in ones as FC tend to do you are going to take more hits from defenders. For example one man takes the ball up and is talked by a three defenders with often a fourth coming in to finish the job. Alternatively you have an attacker in support and at least one of those defenders must stay out of the tackle to mark the supporting attacker. Result ball carrier takes less hits and only has to wrestle with 2/3 defenders on the floor.
These observations are from a guy who watches from the stands with no medical history but if I was paying £1.8m in salary to players I would want to know why for three years in a row half my payroll costs are not performing for me. I would find an independent consultant in this field to carry out some research because to say its bad luck for the third year is unacceptable. There has to be another reason be it signing old injury prone players, fitness, preparation or coaching there has to be a reason beyond just bad luck.
Anybody have any other theories or ideas.'" Does the pitch at the KC contribute??
Ive been on it and was surprised how hard it was.
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not all our injuries are attained at home tho??-another theory someone mentioned to me(who is more a football fan than anything!)-older players are struggling to keep fit since the change from winter to summer,compared to younger players????is this due to the hard pitches during summer??
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"not all our injuries are attained at home tho??-another theory someone mentioned to me(who is more a football fan than anything!)-older players are struggling to keep fit since the change from winter to summer,compared to younger players????is this due to the hard pitches during summer??'" Yeh but they may pick up a niggle on the harder KC pitch that leads to more serious injury |
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| Quote ="KC BRI"Yeh but they may pick up a niggle on the harder KC pitch that leads to more serious injury'"
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| Quote ="KC BRI"Does the pitch at the KC contribute??
Ive been on it and was surprised how hard it was.
It was like walking on concrete'"
Its funny you mention the KC pitch.
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"Its funny you mention the KC pitch.
We dont train on it!!!!!!'"
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| Quote ="Trawlerman"Sorry it’s a bit long but I don’t think we are responding as a club to the injuries we seem to have had for three years. IMO injuries can be due to five main reasons.
1 Luck – there is no doubt that luck plays a part in injuries but to have similar issues for three years in a row would suggest that there is more to it that just bad luck.
2 Age – whilst I don’t have any statistics to prove this I believe it is fairly widely agreed that as a sportsman passes the age of 30 injuries do seem to be more common and the recovery period longer.
3 Technique – In a contact sport such as Rugby League the way you go into contact has to have some effect on the hits to the body. For example if you are upright with an open chest you will eventually take a hit to the rib cage that causes injury.
4. Preparation and warm up – Warm up and stretching before a game is vital as is maintaining that flexibility created in the warm up whilst on the bench waiting to be called upon. Take Louaki (sp) for example, warms up before the Quins game then has 5/10minutes in the changing rooms followed by 10 minutes sat on the bench. Enters the game and within seconds has pulled a muscle in his calf.
5. Tactics – If you play rugby league in ones as FC tend to do you are going to take more hits from defenders. For example one man takes the ball up and is talked by a three defenders with often a fourth coming in to finish the job. Alternatively you have an attacker in support and at least one of those defenders must stay out of the tackle to mark the supporting attacker. Result ball carrier takes less hits and only has to wrestle with 2/3 defenders on the floor.
These observations are from a guy who watches from the stands with no medical history but if I was paying £1.8m in salary to players I would want to know why for three years in a row half my payroll costs are not performing for me. I would find an independent consultant in this field to carry out some research because to say its bad luck for the third year is unacceptable. There has to be another reason be it signing old injury prone players, fitness, preparation or coaching there has to be a reason beyond just bad luck.
Anybody have any other theories or ideas.'"
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| Quote ="Kosh"When did any of the clubs you mention have 60% of their salary cap out injured?'"
I meant relatively speaking , not exactly but all those I mentioned have had serious player profiles missing for long periods....
however your own post highlights the current issue 60% missing, well said and there lies the issue at present and those claiming £5 or what ever can have it |
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| Quote ="EXPRO"I meant relatively speaking , not exactly but all those I mentioned have had serious player profiles missing for long periods....
however your own post highlights the current issue 60% missing, well said and there lies the issue at present [uand those claiming £5 or what ever can have it[/u'"
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We're just as disorganised without injuries. We do reasonably well in the first part of the season, when every team are finding their feet. Then, when teams find their feet and get in to second gear, we end up in reverse! Supporting the team for 30+ years I've seen some shocking seasons, but I can't remember seeing a team so lost in all my life. I payed subs and played for a more organised team, it's disgusting!
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| Quote ="wolfie"www.sporthull.co.uk/headlines/HULL-FC-Coach-Agar-investigates-season-wrecking-injuries/article-2145405-detail/article.html'"
Confirmation that he is not the right candidate...He has to factor age into (he signed the ageing players)
Also he has to factor rotation (fitz being worked to death)
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| The injuries are frustrating but i'm unsure about blaming them on someone. (and i'd like to blame Agar believe me)
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Any review should have been by an independent Sports Injury Consultant. Agar is not going to say that it's the technique, tactics and conditioning of players thats at fault seeing as how he is respondsible for those issues is he.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"The injuries are frustrating but i'm unsure about blaming them on someone. (and i'd like to blame Agar believe me)
Could it just be bad luck? The curse of Brantingham or something like that?
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Seems to be that we've been jinxed since we moved to the KC. How many serious/long term injuries have we had since we moved there? |
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| Quote ="Scrappy Doo"Seems to be that we've been jinxed since we moved to the KC. How many serious/long term injuries have we had since we moved there?'"
Hull City seem to get their fair share with Bullard and Ashbee etc.
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