it was hardly a discrace to lose to that Saints side, one of the best to feature in SL.

that said that 2006 side is better in just about every position than the current one, the backline in particular.

Injuries excuse getting rolled out as it looks like defeat in the next 3 and the pub team performance v Quins.
Agar has more spin merchants working for him than Mandelson.
If we lose the next 3 and Quins then HE MUST RESIGN

Lose the next three and confirmation that the season is over.

I think we will get two out of six, the season is still over and then we will see fans drifting away

And not having half the first team on the physio bench helps too

Griffin has always been a top class forward, Aspinwall is still average at best and are you saying honestly that G Horne has progressed at Huddersfield

And if you have half of the first team on the physio bench having a coach who can adapt his gameplan accordinaly and can motivate the players left helps too

and you really believe that dont you, you can loose a bunch of players flowing in rep honours , loose all the play makers and motivators and still win a GF, you honestly believe they are not trying dont you??
Did you ever play the game at any level??
Thats not a dig just a friendly question honestly

No your taking my quote out of context.

I am praising Browns ability to make average players look good and play well in a well drilled team (Saturday being an exception of course

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Sorry I am not trying to belittle what you said...
What I meant was that Hudds can do that because the players who train midweek are carrying those set plays into the matches, every week however FC are cobbling together a team from the "whos left standing" scenario again which means that RA is relying more on the individuals to stand up and be counted than team plays , simple math really ..

Agar does.

Where have I said we could win a grand final with (or even without injuries), where also have I said that I beleive they are not trying ???
As for do I beleive a coach should be able to motivate players and adapt a game plan simple answer yes I do .
Did I play the game - yes at low amature level is that relevant ??

I can't see us beating Cats, not with the injuries we have. There could be as many as 12 players out and that would mean we had zero chance of winning in my opinion.

With a reasonable fit squad I would have expected us to beat Quins, Cats and Cas.

Once again then Paul M , it's the injury hoodoo striking for the 4th year in a row ie 2007 -2010 coinciding with us winning NOWT and finishing bottom and next to bottom of established SL table.
Are we a club who's success , or lack of it , is FUNDAMENTALLY & DIRECTLY linked to the physio couch.
Because that is what you are saying in your post. i.e. we would have beat 3 teams out of the bottom 4 if we had been at full strength as we were v Reds and Crusaders oops , we were at full strength , so where do you draw your conclusion in your last post ?

We played poorly in those games and deserved to get beat. I did fancy us to beat Quins, Cats and Cas but that does not mean we would have done, it's my opinion.

It's also my opinion that if we have upto 12 players out that us or any side would struggle to win a game regardless of who they were playing.

our injury situation is defo a major factor in our results.any team who are missing £900k salary cap players are going to struggle.what i,and the majority don't accept is the poor tactical performance.if we got beat but played like we did at home to warrington it wouldn't bother me as much,but having paid out for me and my lad to go to edinburgh,to watch what we did,was totally unacceptable,and really can't see it changing as mr agar seems happy to continue with the 5 drives down the middle followed by a poor kick.

Exactly what i have said for a long time, if we play like that and lose it is bearable, the fact we are just doing nothing is what gets to us the supporters the most. You say about 5 drives and a kick and i would happily settle for that in the current injury situation, but we cannot even manage to hold onto the ball for 5 tackles without dropping it or gifting it back to the opposition.

after the edinburgh debacle,i would love to see 2 or 3 of the kids given ago.tuffour on the wing would allow whiting to be given a more prominent role,and if horne and long are both out at the weekend(horne defo out)why not give one of the young halfbacks a runout.agar seems intent on playing ''senior'' players in positions which doesn't suit them.

Never going to see Whiting play anywhere but Centre/Wing/FB whilst Agar is running the show. He never gave any of the youngsters a chance last season even at the end when we had nothing to play for, why would he start playing them now?

I too would give a couple of them a runout this week as we are likely to lose it, unfortunately Agar picks the team.

Serves him right for spending a huge chunk of salary cap on 2 players well into their 30's

His team, he should live and die by results

And that Paul is why they chose you as a modorator because you are somewhat more balanced than the usual suspects on this forum well said

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I have been pointing this same fact out all week yet for some reason many believe there to be other motives which there simply is not!!
Wether people believe it or not NO team can function anywhere near their potential with the issues we have with injuries, being beaten isnt the issue at present , its more a case of by how many I am afraid .. but it will change

also again note we do not have a given right to beat any team !!

You are Mr Agar and I claim my £5.00!!!!!!!

Are you that guy with a brown nose?

So, why did they choose the other mods, that have a different opinion?

Oh yes!
Why do you keep avoiding the question:

Which players in your opinion have improved under Agar?

I will start you off:
S Moa

In all fairness, having 60% of your salary cap out injured could be expected to seriously hamper even the best of sides with the best coach.

It will just hit us harder as we don't have the best of sides or a decent coach.

Yes I know Kosh (aka expro)


I guess that is also what Mr Agar will be telling his players

I wouldn't have a problem with that IF he used it to generate a siege mentality. Sadly there's no sign that he or the players are capable of that strength of character.